Discussion:
Intelligence matters II
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Heidi
2005-07-07 22:03:33 UTC
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The letter writer who beleives in evolution suggested Intelligent Design
isn't science because it requires belief in God. He used a "red herring"
logical fallacy, to take the focus off science and claim Intelligent
Design is religion and doesn't belong in the classroom.
Make up your mind. Isn't it science or isn't it religion ?
If you want to teach ID in a speculative philosophy class I'm
sure the scientists wouldn't mind, but if you want to play
in their game, you have to play by their rules. Fair's fair.
True scientists are open to all possible theories that explain observed
facts. Intelligent Design is the only theory that adequately explains
the fact of irreducibly complex organisms.
Just as watches can't function without all their vital parts, the
simplest living cells can't function, or survive, without all their
vital parts. They couldn't have evolved through successive stages of
development without having all their vital parts from the very
beginning. Evolution can't explain this fact of science.
Many of the original watchmakers were locksmiths.
Many of the original surgeons were barbers.
Mendel was a monk.
God works in mysterious ways.
True, many reasonable people will think designer means "God." However,
acknowledgment of God is not required. Well-known religious skeptics
have supported Intelligent Design while saying they don't know what or
who the designer is.
It took mathematicians along time to discover the number 'zero'.
Even longer to discover 'infinity'.
You don't need them to do arithmetic.
Biased science turns to evolution instead of the only reasonable
conclusion because it might mean there is a God. That is not science,
that is religion and does not belong in the classroom unless balanced
with more logical, scientific explanations like Intelligent Design.
You seem to be under the impression that: all scientists are atheists.
That's contrary to the evidence I've seen.
Can you provide some proof ?
Gary Stewart
North Versailles
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/letters/s_350726.html
jw <jw@yoo.hoo>
2005-07-07 22:40:35 UTC
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Post by Heidi
The letter writer who beleives in evolution suggested Intelligent Design
isn't science because it requires belief in God. He used a "red herring"
logical fallacy, to take the focus off science and claim Intelligent
Design is religion and doesn't belong in the classroom.
Make up your mind. Isn't it science or isn't it religion ?
If you want to teach ID in a speculative philosophy class I'm
sure the scientists wouldn't mind, but if you want to play
in their game, you have to play by their rules. Fair's fair.
Who "made the rules?' Atheists pretending to be scientists.

I have worked in a variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period
as a documentation person, and I LOT of the scientists I worked with--
the best in the field-- were Christians who were commited to
Creationism.

The FACTS of science do not "prove" either creation or evolution. The
FACTS merely state what the world is made of.
Post by Heidi
True scientists are open to all possible theories that explain observed
facts. Intelligent Design is the only theory that adequately explains
the fact of irreducibly complex organisms.
Just as watches can't function without all their vital parts, the
simplest living cells can't function, or survive, without all their
vital parts. They couldn't have evolved through successive stages of
development without having all their vital parts from the very
beginning. Evolution can't explain this fact of science.
Many of the original watchmakers were locksmiths.
Evolution wants us to believe that we can take the finest 17 Jewel
Swiss watch, tear it apart carefully til no two pieces are attached,
put it in a bag, shake it for a million years, open the bag, and we'll
have a reassembled, properly tuned 17 Jewel Swiss watch.
Post by Heidi
Many of the original surgeons were barbers.
Evolution wants us to believe a princess kissed an enchanted frog and
it turned into a prince (same concept as evolution; just a different
timeline)
Post by Heidi
Mendel was a monk.
So what?
Post by Heidi
God works in mysterious ways.
And God told us how the world came into being.
Post by Heidi
True, many reasonable people will think designer means "God." However,
acknowledgment of God is not required. Well-known religious skeptics
have supported Intelligent Design while saying they don't know what or
who the designer is.
It took mathematicians along time to discover the number 'zero'.
Even longer to discover 'infinity'.
You don't need them to do arithmetic.
And God created the universe without math.
Post by Heidi
Biased science turns to evolution instead of the only reasonable
conclusion because it might mean there is a God. That is not science,
that is religion and does not belong in the classroom unless balanced
with more logical, scientific explanations like Intelligent Design.
You seem to be under the impression that: all scientists are atheists.
No, but the atheists seem to be the only ones we hear about or from.

Name me 10 top scientists who are Christians and Creationists. I could
probably name you 5.

Now name me 10 top scientists who are atheists. I could name you two
off the top of my head.

Steve Hawkings
Isaac Asimov.

jw
Post by Heidi
That's contrary to the evidence I've seen.
Can you provide some proof ?
Gary Stewart
North Versailles
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/letters/s_350726.html
Freddy X
2005-07-08 01:43:43 UTC
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I have worked in a variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period
as a documentation person, and I LOT of the scientists I worked with--
the best in the field-- were Christians who were commited to
Creationism.
The FACTS of science do not "prove" either creation or evolution. The
FACTS merely state what the world is made of.
Evolution wants us to believe that we can take the finest 17 Jewel
Swiss watch, tear it apart carefully til no two pieces are attached,
put it in a bag, shake it for a million years, open the bag, and we'll
have a reassembled, properly tuned 17 Jewel Swiss watch.
jw, you are really stupid for a person claiming to "have worked in a
variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period"! Why do
creationists continually embarrass themselves by making the idiotic
comparison between organic material (which can grow and change ON ITS
OWN) to machinery?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Evolution wants us to believe a princess kissed an enchanted frog and
it turned into a prince (same concept as evolution; just a different
timeline)
Of course the idea that a great wizard (i.e. God) 6000 thousand years
ago snapped his fingers and created the universe and everything in it
in 6 days has much more scientific merit than evolution.
jw <jw@yoo.hoo>
2005-07-08 06:05:20 UTC
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Post by Freddy X
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I have worked in a variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period
as a documentation person, and I LOT of the scientists I worked with--
the best in the field-- were Christians who were commited to
Creationism.
The FACTS of science do not "prove" either creation or evolution. The
FACTS merely state what the world is made of.
Evolution wants us to believe that we can take the finest 17 Jewel
Swiss watch, tear it apart carefully til no two pieces are attached,
put it in a bag, shake it for a million years, open the bag, and we'll
have a reassembled, properly tuned 17 Jewel Swiss watch.
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.

And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.

It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.

My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.


for a person claiming to "have worked in a
Post by Freddy X
variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period"! Why do
creationists continually embarrass themselves
And I didn't embarrass myself. Not a little.

jw

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And by the way-- to address your final ridiculoud point however
briefly.

Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."

and the world came inuto being.

And if you weren't there-- whether 6 thousand or 6 million or 6
billion years ago when this universe came into being,

yuo have no right to tell me how it happened.

Now THAT IS dumb!

"I wasn't there, but I KNOW what happened!"

Any judge would laugh you out of court!
Bill
2005-07-08 20:01:39 UTC
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Post by Freddy X
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I have worked in a variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period
as a documentation person, and I LOT of the scientists I worked with--
the best in the field-- were Christians who were commited to
Creationism.
The FACTS of science do not "prove" either creation or evolution. The
FACTS merely state what the world is made of.
Evolution wants us to believe that we can take the finest 17 Jewel
Swiss watch, tear it apart carefully til no two pieces are attached,
put it in a bag, shake it for a million years, open the bag, and we'll
have a reassembled, properly tuned 17 Jewel Swiss watch.
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
And you quite apparently did not learn much!
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
for a person claiming to "have worked in a
Post by Freddy X
variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period"! Why do
creationists continually embarrass themselves
And I didn't embarrass myself. Not a little.
jw
snip
And by the way-- to address your final ridiculoud point however
briefly.
Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
And if you weren't there-- whether 6 thousand or 6 million or 6
billion years ago when this universe came into being,
yuo have no right to tell me how it happened.
Now THAT IS dumb!
"I wasn't there, but I KNOW what happened!"
Any judge would laugh you out of court!
jw <jw@yoo.hoo>
2005-07-09 03:08:56 UTC
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Post by Bill
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
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Post by Freddy X
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I have worked in a variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period
as a documentation person, and I LOT of the scientists I worked with--
the best in the field-- were Christians who were commited to
Creationism.
The FACTS of science do not "prove" either creation or evolution. The
FACTS merely state what the world is made of.
Evolution wants us to believe that we can take the finest 17 Jewel
Swiss watch, tear it apart carefully til no two pieces are attached,
put it in a bag, shake it for a million years, open the bag, and we'll
have a reassembled, properly tuned 17 Jewel Swiss watch.
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
And you quite apparently did not learn much!
Another "genius" burps.

jw
Post by Bill
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
for a person claiming to "have worked in a
Post by Freddy X
variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period"! Why do
creationists continually embarrass themselves
And I didn't embarrass myself. Not a little.
jw
snip
And by the way-- to address your final ridiculoud point however
briefly.
Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
And if you weren't there-- whether 6 thousand or 6 million or 6
billion years ago when this universe came into being,
yuo have no right to tell me how it happened.
Now THAT IS dumb!
"I wasn't there, but I KNOW what happened!"
Any judge would laugh you out of court!
Freddy X
2005-07-09 06:04:33 UTC
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Post by Freddy X
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
See jw, you are stupid. I couldn't give a rat's ass about your
background; it's your intelligence (or lack of) as exhibited by your
posts I'm concerned about.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
You were a gofer for various companies. Good for you!
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
So do most brilliant scientists drink bold or mild coffee?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
Idiot, you don't even know what sarcasm is.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And if you weren't there-- whether 6 thousand or 6 million or 6
billion years ago when this universe came into being,
yuo have no right to tell me how it happened.
Now THAT IS dumb!
"I wasn't there, but I KNOW what happened!"
Any judge would laugh you out of court!
Do you know why judges don't laugh people out of court for saying, "I
wasn't there, but I KNOW what happened!"? It's called EVIDENCE or
PROOF! Something creationists have no idea of.

You are really, really stupid, jw.
jw <jw@yoo.hoo>
2005-07-09 12:54:31 UTC
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Post by Freddy X
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
See jw, you are stupid.
In fact, I am not. My views-- however contrary to yours-- are NOT
a reflection of my native intelligence, your bullying to the contrary.

If I told you how smart I am, in fact, you likely would not believe
me.
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary theory big
enough to drive Mack trucks through with room to spare.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about your
Post by Freddy X
background; it's your intelligence (or lack of) as exhibited by your
posts I'm concerned about.
I could not care less about your opinion, either.'

If you beileve in evolution, it has NOTHING to do with native
intelligence and EVERYthing to do with world view.
Post by Freddy X
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
You were a gofer for various companies. Good for you!
I thought I made it clear, moron, that I was a documentation
specialist.
Post by Freddy X
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
So do most brilliant scientists drink bold or mild coffee?
Hehehe.

Congratulations. Now I know one person who chuckled.
Post by Freddy X
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
Idiot, you don't even know what sarcasm is.
Idiot. What color is the sky on your home planet?

And since I have now given yuo all this time to indicate some sign of
intelligent life, and all you can muster are junior high school- level
putdowns that are equivalent to "let's compare sizes", I leave you.


jw



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Post by Freddy X
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Post by Freddy X
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical
writing position, I am betting you would be QUITE impressed
with my background.
See jw, you are stupid.
In fact, I am not.
In fact, you are quite stupid.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
My views-- however contrary to yours-- are NOT a reflection
of my native intelligence, your bullying to the contrary.
The bully accuses others of bullying. That's pretty funny.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
If I told you how smart I am, in fact, you likely would
not believe me.
That's true enough. The fact is that you spend a lot of time bragging
about your "intelligence" and how smart you are, and then promptly get
stomped into the dirt, and you run away, whimpering.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary
theory big enough to drive Mack trucks through with room
to spare.
I'll take that action. bring it on.

Snip
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But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch
:)
Jani
even MORE entertaining, Jani, when weatherly gets the EDUCATION he
needs.
No plagiaryor copyright violation was committed, for sure.
And let's face it---- if weatherly imagines his writing is so
wonderful, you'd think he'd be pleased someone posted the thing here
in its entirety!
Doc :o)
Quite seriously, though - I have a few friends who are professional
writers,
and they are *extremely* careful about what they publish on the Net, and
what is kept separate for print publication.
You CONTINUE to miss the greater issue, which is one of CONTROL.
I as an author should have the final say as to where my work appears,
and in what form.
You do have the final say. You have the choice to place your work wherever
you wish. You *don't* have control over the Net or the Web, however.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Phar Lap, -- and YOU -- have now shown utterly NO regards for my
intellectual rights, regardless of what you think of my writing
ability.
I haven't made any comment on the quality of your writing. I've commented
solely on the legalities and practicalities of intellectual property
legislation, which you'd do well to consider if you intend to publish both
on the Web and in print.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
In its current state, that story now will reflect POORLY on my writing
talents.
I have EVERY intent to rewrite it, as vera and I had previously agreed
would be the process.
Then as I said elsethread, if your complaint is that a first draft appeared
on Vera's site without your permission, your issue is a private one *with
her*.
You CONTINUE to be slow to understand, and with your careless
attitude, I am not inclinded to explain further.

The ONLY point that matters is that Phar Lap posted my story
DELIBERATELY, KNOWING he would piss me off, and THAT is PRECISELY WHY
he did it.

He has said REPEATEDLY that he considers my writing "trash", so why
would he take if off the site and post it in here?

To violate my copyright!

(duh)

And to say to me, "Now, sucka! What are YOU going to do about it? You
don't even know who I am?"

And YOU are so DULL minded, you can ONLY look at me and give advice.
You couldn't care less that Phar Lap violated me VERY DELIBERATELY,
for the sole purpose of pissing me off!
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
But if Phar Lap and others (like you) are going to show NO regard for
my legal rights, I don't DARE put up anything that is close to
publishable for fear of being ripped off by people I can't find (Phar
Lap), who REMAINS one of the biggest ANONYMOUS COWaRDS on the
internet.
Perhaps you should consider what I stated above - professional writers are
very careful about what they put on the Net and the Web.
Perhaps YOU should stay out of it.


jw

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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:52:31 -0400, "Doc: The
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I couldn't care less what you have to say to me other than that
you're
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taking my writing off your hateful, ridiculous web page.
your 'writing' I want no part of. However, taking some of your
ridiculous comments from usenet groups is not plagiarism. Now be
quiet.
I'll be quiet when ;you have been convicted of malicious plagiarism
and your web page has been taken down.


jw

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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have
several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by
Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs
was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
And if you had wanted it posted to numerous other alt* ngs, email lists,
yahoo groups, LJs, et al, you could have done that yourself. Are you going
to sue every single person who has posted it elsewhere?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Work which
you had already made available on a free-access site.
That is irrelevant. Virtually any site you can access the first 5 -
10 pages of is a "free-access site". That does NOT mean you can take
the contents and do with them what you will, UNLESS that is CLEARLY
stated in the copyright which is PROMINENTLY displayed on the page..
The only way around that copyright law is if there is NO copyright
displayed on the page.
Copyright statements are not the point; copyright is still vested in the
author *whether or not* there is a copyright statement. Have you any idea of
the trouble professional researchers go to, tracking down the original
authorship of unattributed material, in order to ensure that *they*
attribute correctly? Probably not ...
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
You may THINK you know copyright law. You do not.
Yes, I do. And I also know the practicalities of intellectual property
legislation, which is something that seems to have escaped you.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
As a published, degreed author for MANY years, I have kept a CLOSE ear
to copyright law-- even as it applies to publications published on the
web.
So how is it that you still don't understand it?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
He didn't plagiarise
it,
You are incorrect.
He did not take your work and attribute it as his own authorship. No
plagiarism.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
he didn't violate your authorial copyright on it,
Yes, in fact, he did. He did not have my permission to post it.
PERIOD.
Reproduction rights are not the same as authorial copyright.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
it would be *very*
difficult to show that you suffered any financial disadvantage from his
posting since you, yourself, had already made it available on a freely
accessible website advertised here every day - what on earth are you going
to sue him FOR?
I guess you will be one who will have to wait and see.
As I'm still waiting to see the "proof" for that fifth-century "baptist
church" in England? I won't hold my breath, then ;)
Merely because I did not have the foresight to photograph the church,
and merely becasue I have not been able to get anyone ELSE to
photograph it does not make the church cease to exist.

jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
There are reasons we have the opportunity copyright our work. One of
the reasons is to CONTROL where it appears, and in what form.
Phar Lap CLEARLY and with malice aforehand VIOLATED my rights to
control where my property appears, and in what form.
Then, SUE HIM! Take him to court! Explain to the judge that you yourself are
quite careless about accurate attributions of others' work, that you posted
a story on a publicly accessible website which was repeatedly advertised on
an equally publicly accessible alt* newsgroup, that you have NO idea how
many times this publicly accessible piece of work has been reposted on the
Net and the Web, but you demand reparation from someone who took this piece,
*correctly attributed to you and without breaching your authorial
copyright*, and reposted it on the very newsgroup where its location on the
Web had been advertised!
Go for it, John. Sheesh.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
In fact, I had already told vera after I sent her the story that I was
going to send her a re-write to post, since I wasn't entirely happy
with how the story came out.
Your private dealings with Vera are pretty much irrelevant here.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Phar Lap's FLAGRANT violation of my copyright makes a reposting of an
update UNTHINKABLE.
No, sorry, *you* put your first draft on Vera's *public and publicly
advertised site*. If you wanted only the final draft to appear there, it's
entirely your fault for jumping the gun.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
He also has sent me a non-too-subltle threat that I can COUNT on him
to violate my coypright and to repost elsewhere ANYTHING ELSE I post
there.
Better not put your first drafts on Vera's website, then, since anyone who
reads all the groups Vera posts to can access her site and repost your stuff
wherever they please. You could become the biggest suer on the Net, at this
rate.
AGAIN, you have NO CLUE about copyright law.

The whole point of copyright law is that the author gets to decide who
uses his material, and where it's used, and in what quantity.

The FACT that MANY choose to violate copyright law by reproducing and
reposting in an unauthorized manner doesn't mean they aren't breaking
the law.

And even if YOU don't understand copyright law, I DO.

And the ONLY thing that keeps Phar Lap out of court is that I don't
know who the bastard is.

And that point is OBVIOUS since he has YET to sprout "a pair" and let
us all know who he is.

He's one of the biggest COWARDS on the internet.

And YOU are for supporting his crimes.

Just because he can get away with it doesn't make it right.

And you STILL have NO CLUE why I am so pissed off about him ripping me
off, nor have you taken ONE NANOSECOND to ask.

You would RATHER ASSUME

and ASSUME wrongly, makilng you as big an ASS as Phar Lap.

jw

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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
As for the monetary value, I have made more $$$ from my writing over a
3-year period than YOU have likely earned in your entire life.
Then you'll have very little difficulty convincing the court that Phar Lap's
supposed "copyright violation" has caused you financial disadvantage, since
you'll be able to prove how much you earn from your published work .. won't
you?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
At any rate, I thank you AGAIN, for your consideration, and for your
being so respectful of copyright law.
You are just another criminal.
My gosh, John, shall I now *see you in court* for libel? Grow up, lad :)
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have
several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by
Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs
was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
And if you had wanted it posted to numerous other alt* ngs, email lists,
yahoo groups, LJs, et al, you could have done that yourself. Are you going
to sue every single person who has posted it elsewhere?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Work which
you had already made available on a free-access site.
That is irrelevant. Virtually any site you can access the first 5 -
10 pages of is a "free-access site". That does NOT mean you can take
the contents and do with them what you will, UNLESS that is CLEARLY
stated in the copyright which is PROMINENTLY displayed on the page..
The only way around that copyright law is if there is NO copyright
displayed on the page.
Copyright statements are not the point; copyright is still vested in the
author *whether or not* there is a copyright statement. Have you any idea of
the trouble professional researchers go to, tracking down the original
authorship of unattributed material, in order to ensure that *they*
attribute correctly? Probably not ...
That is likely the dumbest remark you have yet made. When there is no
attribution with the material, it may be quoted freely.

And the ONLY defense required in a court if the attribution "got lost"
from the piece is that "there was no attribution with the
article/piece when we found it."

PERIOD.

You continue to display TOTAL ignorance of copyright law while you
PRETEND to know the subject.

And don't pretend with ME!! I KNOW THE subject.


jw

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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have
several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by
Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs
was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
And if you had wanted it posted to numerous other alt* ngs, email lists,
yahoo groups, LJs, et al, you could have done that yourself. Are you going
to sue every single person who has posted it elsewhere?
If I find it posted a dozen other places, that is VERY likely.

And AGAIN, thanks for your support of copyright law!

And I have not forgotten your libel.


jw
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have
several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by
Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
What you are suggesting is that I am such a liar that you can't
believe I graduated from one of the Top 5.

Provide EVIDENCE of my lying about ANYTHING,

or I'll take the above remark as libel.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Not at all.

And YOU-- not a writer by ANY stretch-- presume to tell a
professionally trained, published author how copyright works.

If you BOTHERED to read the 20 copyrights like I suggested, the
copyright itself states what may and may not be used, and how.


DUH!
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
I will point out to you that your POV is your POV and NOT a legal
opinion.


Nor will I argue with another criminal who sees NO harm in Phar Lap
stealing my intellectual property.

jw

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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:02:49 -0400, "Doc: The
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Johnnie, I wouldn't line the bottom of a BIRD CAGE with that trash
you
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
call 'writing'.
But you'll slap it all over your web page.
Yes, on that special page which clearly shows how you malign others,
and thank you for admitting that what you write is crap.......
So when did you stop signing your posts, Darth? when you began
ADMITTING your crimes?

jw

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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:00:42 -0400, "Doc: The
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You do as much creative editing as Elaine.
I don't need to plagiarize. I know how to write. And your trash I
would not walk across the room for.
But you'll post it.

jw


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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:16:18 -0400, "Doc: The
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You WILL be held accountable for your numerous CRIMES.
jw
I haven't committed any.
Plagiarism is a white-collar crime.
libel is a white collar crime.
harassment on the web is a white collar crime.
stalking is a crime

You have done all the above.

jw


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Larry-- like a long list of others-- considers it his sworn duty to
climb upon my back at every opportunity.
jw
then why not STOP giving everyone so much REASON TO jump on you?
Haven't you ever heard the pith, Elaine, that "character" means how
you act when you think no one is looking?


jw


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Larry-- like a long list of others-- considers it his sworn duty to
climb upon my back at every opportunity.
jw
then why not STOP giving everyone so much REASON TO jump on you?
Oh, but according to YOU and your bud galia, I LOVE it so!

Why don't YOU do the right thing, be an ADULT for a change, and NOT
kick the dog just because you can?

Are you THAT MUCH OUT OF CONTROL?

Do you STEAL just because no one's looking?
Do you LIE just because you think no one will know the difference?

Do you CHEAT just because you're sure you won't be caught?

Where is your motivation to do the right thing BECAUSE it's the right
thing?

Where's the motivation to live as Jesus commanded?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?


jw
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| jw
You couldn't live without those people on usenet; it's your sworn
duty as a Narcissist to lie and abuse!
I agree with this post
Gee, Elaine! Someone's confused! (you)

You have been accusing me all this time of

1. faking it
2. being EXTREMELY mentally ill
3. being schizophrenic


now of

4. being a Narccisist.

which is it?

ALL the above? (impossible)

or NONE of the above?

Do you know how DANGEROUS that makes you in a clinical setting?

YOUR "diagnoses" change with your mood!

I can here Dr Matthews, the head psychiatrist, now.

Monday: Mr Jones is schizophrenic, with delusions
Tuesday: Mr Jones is bi-polar
Wednesday: Mr Jones is a Narcissist
Thursday: Mr Jones is MPD
Friday: Mr Jones is perfectly healthy and faking it all.


You'd be unemployed and facing fraud charges by Saturday.


jw


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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:35:45 -0400, "Doc: The
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You like Elaine, continually blame others for your inability to cope.
wrong as usual, weatherly!
You just proved my point AGAIN, Darth. You are utterly incapable of
accepting personal responsibility.

You ALWAYS shirk it off, blame others, deny deny deny.

Sure signs of extreme pathology.

jw

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Keep it up. And one day soon I'll own everything you used to own!
jw
Will that raise your IQ and improve your cognition
I don't need my IQ raised, Phar Lap.

But thanks for thinking about me,

demoniac.

jw


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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:42:34 -0400, "Doc: The
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Hmm...........I will keep that in mind the next time you make sexual
accusations against me.
I have never made any, madam, but if it makes you feel better to
falsely accuse me, go for it. It is you who will be forced to answer
for it.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall
speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
You, OTOH, HAVE made unav\ccaeptable and inappropriate sexual comments
TO and about me, such as the ridiculous 'lapdancing for Satan' trash.
However, since you are not permitted to even TRY to upset me, I will
continue to ignore your lies just as I ignore weatherly's false
bravado and idle threats of 'suing me' and/or 'having my site shut
down'.
What makes you think I make idle threats, Elaine? You have just had
WAY too many warnings, because I'm a nice guy and I believe in "going
the last mile," but to no avail.

I remind myself daily that you continue to endanger your patients and
other innocent people with your vitriole, and shutting your site
down-- while a goal-- is not on my front burner.


jw
May God bless you both. You're a wonderful pair.
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:43:35 -0400, "Doc: The
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I also do not live to live by YOUR standards, whatever they may be.
Then the posts remain!
You never had any intent to remove my posts, Elaine,

other than by court order.

Yet you demand that vera remove YOUr posts, and you throw the tizzy of
the millennium when she doesn't.

You REMAIN a PATHETIC pathological liar,

and the world champion DRAMA QUEEN.


jw
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and I'll remove your trash.
ROTFL!
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 06:00:10 -0700,
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Anyway, to answer your question, John certainly has the right to his
POV. As for STATING said POV, though, he doesn't have the right to do
so in groups where it's entirely off-topic.
Thant AGAIN, is your POV. Which John evidently does not share.
No, that isn't Mike's point of view. Relevant topics are defined in
the charter for each newsgroup, which was achieved by consensus (and
voting).
Unfortunately John (and from this post, apparently you) have no
respect for the rights of others.
I doubt seriously if John is the ONLY off-topic poster in here.

And I have NOT posted any religious POVs. That is MY nod of respect to
your group's "charter", on which *I* did not vote.
Finally, as has been pointed out to you by several people (including
me), John's constant use of new aliases makes it impossible to
exclude posts from him.
It is certainly easy enough-- by reading the first sentence-- or the
first paragraph-- to determine that a post is off-topic and to stop
reading it.

No, THAT thought would not occur to you. YOU -- like the rest of the
Nazis in here -- must PURGE and CLEANSE of the group of any opposing
thought.

How INCESTUOUS.
It is a sadness that your intelligence doesn't permit you to
comprehend that.
My intelligence apparently exceeds your own. I know how to read a line
or two of a post, realize it's not to my liking, and move on.

You are dull enough to not know you disagree until you've read the
last word of a 25 page thesis.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Must you CLEANSE the internet of all contrary thought?
That is hardly what Mike or anyone else has espoused.
That is EXACTLY what you espouse. Why deny it?

You are objecting PRECISELY to John coming in here with views which
YOU do not wish to read.

That is called INTOLERANCE and it is called "cleansing."

Both are RIGHT OUT OF THE 3rd Reich! And you should be ashamed.

As they say in TV land, "if you don't like what's on, grab the
remote!"

I have no
problem with John posting questions about computers to groups whose
charters permit that. There are plenty of other groups where he
can post material with religious content, where it can be read
by those whom it interests the most.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
ALL you have said, in a PLETHORA of worsd, is that you are intolerant
of posters who have thoughts contrary to your own..
Apparently the inherent contradiction in that statement hasn't yet
struck you. Shall we give you a decade or two?
I'm not sure we have enough time for you to get the irony there.

jw
Beverly
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Oh quit your prating, you sound like the fucking
Taliban/Al Qaeda!
Steve
Prating? Steve need[s] to improve your spelling.
Nothing like a little applied Karma...
Christians don't believe in "Karma". We believe in "sin."

IOW, "you reap what you sow."

jw


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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:57:36 -0700, Bible John
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Oh quit your prating, you sound like the fucking Taliban/Al Qaeda!
Steve
Prating? Steve need to improve your spelling.
John
John, you mentioned haveing Walz's attention a bit earllier.

Is this what you call a "receptive" audience?

You have MUCH to learn, my friend.

I mentioned to you awhile back that you needed to conserve your
energies for those who are receptive.

That advice seems to have gone in one ear and out the other.

Perhaps I should stop giving advice.

?

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Please join me in daily prayer for the victims of this
horrible London bomb terrorist attack that has killed
at least 40 and wounded many others.
Nothing like exploiting that tragedy to forward your own
agenda, eh?
Your comment forwards yours, does it not?
Pay no attention to that whooshing sound...
You WERE referring to your bleeting, weren't you?
Apparently, you have problems with reading comprehension. Why am I not
surprised...?
And YOU have serious tolerance issues, don't you? Why am I not
surprised?

jw

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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:36:18 -0700, Bible John
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Good luck with that John.
It would be my advice for you to make note of those who are posting
hateful messages to you and killfile them.
Bear in mind that many who you consider "hateful" are people in groups
you are cross-posting to. Like handhelfpc and alt.atheism.
Perhaps you are beginning to see the value of my advice awhile back to
not go where you aren't wanted.
God bless.
jw
yes, stupid!
Well, *I* don't want YOU in HERE, stupid!

So why are you still in here?

And did that last comment from you glorify Christ in ANY way?

Or do you just claim to be a Christian when it's convenient or funny?

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Guess what? You don't own Usenet.
Deal.
Thats it your know on my killfilter. Jason kill-filed many and I need
to stop reading in google and start in my newsclient.
John, you keep saying it, suppose you do it?

And it might be MUCH easier if you'd download Forte Agent.

www.forteinc.com


It's not expensive, and it's the best reader around.


jw
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the christians want to talk on an atheist newsgroup?
Get back to me when you spot the stupidity of that comment
Stop invading free.christians and I would not have posted.
This from the guy who routinely "invades" other groups.
I've just pointed that out to him myself, Dave.

As I've said, I'm on your side on this one.

However, I think you may begin to see-- if you hvae any native
intelligence-- that John is not responsive to your just criticism.

I therfore suggest you do the adult thing-- suck it up and kilfile
him. Your attempt to "cleanse the group" of his sort is reminiscent
of Nazi Germany.

A little "tolerance" perhaps?


jw

There's
nothing more worth despising than hypocrisy in an alleged "Christian."
ISTM that the only reason we saw a response from kathryn in the first
place was because *you* cross-posted into a group that she reads, and
all she did was reply. Now, that's not too difficult a concept for you
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:45:14 -0700, Bible John
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the christians want to talk on an atheist newsgroup?
Get back to me when you spot the stupidity of that comment
Stop invading free.christians and I would not have posted.
That's kind of hypocritical, brother John.

Look at the newsgroups list, and observe all the groups YOU have
"invaded".

Are we to NOT "practice as we preach?"


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But we have the attention of Tommy, Roger, Walz, Mike and
Bev in those boards and I know they read the bible messages.
First, you *don't* know that. Second, with such a pathetic example of
Christianity as you represent, what makes you think it will make any
difference if they see the "bible messages?" After all, with you and
jw as shining examples of what Christianity has to offer and what
Christianity really means to its adherents, there's not too much
attractive about the whole thing.
Realize, Dave, that you speak for one person, whether you believe you
actually represent every breathing body on the planet or not.

You have now had your say.

John is entitled to the same, as am I.

And if you don't like what I post, for the 10,000th time I have said
this in the BAPTIST GROUP, you are invited to not read my posts.

My preaching HAS led people to Christ, and I have no doubt that there
are timid souls out there / and in here / who appreciate me, whether
they say so or they do not.

In fact, I periodically get e-mails from my supporters-- who shall
remain nameless -- who thank me for my witness, but whose faith is not
strong enough to stand up to the critics.

And I am strong enough, so that your taunts and barbs fall impotently
to the dust.

Be a man/woman, suck it up, and MYOB.

I am doing as I feel led by God; are you living up to YOUR end of YOUR
earthly obligation to leave this place better than you found it?

So far, not.

jw



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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:43:18 -0700, Bible John
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One can hope. My views are if anything even MORE conservative than
John's in the Christian theology/doctrine area, but as I've noted to
you in the atheism and handheldpc areas previously, I have absolutely
NO sympathy for John when he posts where he is not wanted, and I've
told him as much.
But we have the attention of Tommy, Roger, Walz, Mike and Bev in those
boards and I know they read the bible messages.
John, the feedback I've seen from Tommy and Bev (I don't remember
seeing any from Roger, Walz, or Mike) has NOT been positive.

Jesus said that if your message was not received, you were to leave
that town, kick the dust off your sandals, and be on your way.

You are DELIBERATELY disobeying that command, making you borderline
apostate, and AGAIN, walking in the flesh and not the spirit,
suffering an ACUTE attack of self-righteous PRIDE (AGAIN my opinion).

I suggest that you collect your small band of those whom you consider
your supporters from the groups you are currently spamming, and offer
to correspond with them via e-mail.

In the interim, you merely give yourself / and your Lord -- a black
eye.

If you want to compare your activities to mine-- even momentarily - I
have gone outside the baptist group (the one closest to my overall
POV) several times. I tried the SDA group, was asked to leave by
pracatically everyone; I tried the catholic group, same response.

So I am now in the Baptist group, where I take a LOT of heat, but at
LEAST I am in a group where the majority are SUPPOSEDLY of like mind
and spirit.

That, then, becomes a matter of conscience.

"I have done the best I can to seek like m inds without allowing the
evil ones to drive me completely out."

I refuse to allow Satan to take over the group completely.


jw
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I will point out to you folks AGAIN, however, that my pointing out the
folly of that activity (in my view) in NO way means I can promise that
he will see the wisdom of my advice.
I therefore recommend to you that you simply killfile him or don't
read his posts, and I recommend he do the same.
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follow up set to trolls midden heap, no sense giving it a captive audience.
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:46:49 -0500,
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
Where is here, you dumped your load to the following groups.
free.christians,microsoft.public.handheldpc,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.christnet.public,alt.parenting.solutions
No less than three have nothing to do with your pettifoggery.
And YOU, crawls, are continually dumping YOUR load in the baptist group,
which has nothing to do with YOUR pettifoggery or your silliness.
Who is this crawls person you are so enamoured with,
If you can butcher MY name and MY reputation, I can return it to you
10-fold, demoniac.

jw

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And I continue to wonder why you type 10 pages of text; I simply
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I am a professional, trained journalist, and professional, trained,
published writer, and theologian.
If you want the best, hire me.
God bless
jw
You may think you are funny; you aren't.

I also note that you are posting anonymously, which I don't do.

You are also being very reduntant, which I don't do.

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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:18:22 -0400, "Doc: The
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I keep asking you to observe the Golden Rule and be nice, Larry. You
keep rejecting the Golden Rule and DEMANDING that I be nice FIRST.
My Bible doesn't have THAT rule in it, Larry.
So you got THAT one from Satan.
Yet who was it who said "Until you talk nicely to ME, then I will
continue to talk to you like the demonic asshole that you are"?
It was not Larry who said that, weatherly, but you.
AGAIN, darling. I am mentally ill. YOu have ALL made a MILLION
comments about that.

But YOU claim to be pefectly HEALTHy!!

So what is YOUR excuse for YOUR monstrous behavior?

And do you TRULY think Jesus is pleased with your behavior and
attitude in here these days?

I don't.

And I don't think you give that issue a nano-second's thought anymore,

Darth Elaine.


jw
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:17:16 -0400, "Doc: The
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Subtlety is lost on me.
just like intelligence ------- you must be ALLERGIC TO IT.
It's so nice to see you continuing to strive to honor Christ with ever
post!

PTL!!

I DO know that you continue to follow the advice you gave a year or so
ago:

"Pray before you click on SEND."


jw

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| I like "if you think I'm a SOB, tell me straight."
SOB!
|
| I am not responsible for Larry's inability to communicate.
Now why would anybody expect you to take responsibility
for someone else; you can't do it for yourself!!!!
Nor can you.

You like Elaine, continually blame others for your inability to cope.

Look inside for your problems and their solutions.

jw

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| I like "if you think I'm a SOB, tell me straight."
SOB!
|
| I am not responsible for Larry's inability to communicate.
Now why would anybody expect you to take responsibility
for someone else; you can't do it for yourself!!!!
By the way, dearest!

I am not your worst enemy!

You are!

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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I am not sure if this matter is closed for me.
Who cares?
Me.
Well you have your reasons huh Vera?
How can you claim to love Jesus and be such a hater, SL?

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You just better hope that Jim doesn't come back at you with slander
charges in regards to your comment right above. Oh you better watch
out for his mom also. Not nice to call someone you don't even know a
name.
I still think that is PRECISELY what weatherly needs........ a taste
of his own flotsam.
He's threatened so many people in here, it;'s utterly ridiculous. It's
high time the tables were turned on that individual.
I know ----- you won't agree---- but really, he HAS to be taught a
lesson. People like him only learn such lessons one way-- THE HARD
WAY.
God bless you, Larry........
Actually neither you or John are even capable of learning a lesson.
Speak for yourself, SL. I have learned a LOT about you in the past
year.

One thing I've learned is that you are as hateful and as petty and as
psychotic as Elaine.

You are quite two sides of one coin!

jw
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Now kindly explain, coward, why you felt COMPELLED to violate my
copyright?
So, liar John, when are -you- going to explain "why you felt COMPELLED" to steal
a news story written by someone else and call it your own?
To call a news story written by someone else "my own" would be to
leave their name off and put mine on as "writer", or "written by."
I left the writer's name ON his piece, and INSTEAD, put mine atop WITH
AN EXPLANATION as the "editor."
Try again, you pathological liar.
Changing your story now, liar John? In your own words below you call
it "my own." I ask again: So, liar John, when are -you- going to
explain "why you felt COMPELLED" to steal a news story written by
someone else and call it your own?
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And since I have taken the liberty of re-writing the story,
"Americanizing it", and fixing some typos, I now can call it my own
legally speaking, and I am hereby posting it to the group for your
amusement and enlightenment.
=========================================
And you CONTINUE to lie.

You do as much creative editing as Elaine.

Where's the whole story, or would reposting the entire story AS I
POSTED it have proven that you are the

pathological liar

I have proved that you are.


jw


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But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch
:)
Jani
even MORE entertaining, Jani, when weatherly gets the EDUCATION he
needs.
No plagiaryor copyright violation was committed, for sure.
And let's face it---- if weatherly imagines his writing is so
wonderful, you'd think he'd be pleased someone posted the thing here
in its entirety!
Doc :o)
Quite seriously, though - I have a few friends who are professional writers,
and they are *extremely* careful about what they publish on the Net, and
what is kept separate for print publication.
You CONTINUE to miss the greater issue, which is one of CONTROL.

I as an author should have the final say as to where my work appears,
and in what form.

Phar Lap, -- and YOU -- have now shown utterly NO regards for my
intellectual rights, regardless of what you think of my writing
ability.

In its current state, that story now will reflect POORLY on my writing
talents.

I have EVERY intent to rewrite it, as vera and I had previously agreed
would be the process.

But if Phar Lap and others (like you) are going to show NO regard for
my legal rights, I don't DARE put up anything that is close to
publishable for fear of being ripped off by people I can't find (Phar
Lap), who REMAINS one of the biggest ANONYMOUS COWaRDS on the
internet.

If one simply wants to reach a
wide audience, then the Web and the Net are ideal. If the ultimate aim is to
be *paid* for reaching an audience, then it isn't.
As a non-author, there certainly are things about writing and
publishing that you do not understand.

And I see no reason to enlighten you.

And there is absolutely
no point putting a piece on the Web, where everyone can access it for
nothing, and then expecting a publisher to accept that piece as a viable
marketing concern.
Perhaps you should say, you don't see the point. There ARE reasons
for doing so.

But AGAIN, since you have expressed absolutely NO sympathy, I see no
reason to enlighten you.
As I said, it's very unlikely John could prove any economic disadvantage
from Phar Lap posting his story to the ngs,
In YOUR opinion.


since he'd already put it on a
free access site.
And all you are doing is endorsing thievery.

By doing that, he'd pretty much lost any chance of a print
publisher taking it (unless it was small-press or vanity press, which again,
doesn't make much money for the author).
AGAIN, yuo talk a great deal about things of which you know NOTHING.

I suggset that before you make yourself sound even more foolish, you
shut up.

I note with ironic amusement that you spout endlessly, yet you don't
ask me what my issues are. You TELL me what my issues are, making you
nothing more than another opinionated ignoramus.


jw
Jani
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.

Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.

Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.

*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.

And he did it for only two reasons:
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"

That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.

Work which
you had already made available on a free-access site.
That is irrelevant. Virtually any site you can access the first 5 -
10 pages of is a "free-access site". That does NOT mean you can take
the contents and do with them what you will, UNLESS that is CLEARLY
stated in the copyright which is PROMINENTLY displayed on the page..

The only way around that copyright law is if there is NO copyright
displayed on the page.

You may THINK you know copyright law. You do not.

As a published, degreed author for MANY years, I have kept a CLOSE ear
to copyright law-- even as it applies to publications published on the
web.


He didn't plagiarise
it,
You are incorrect.

he didn't violate your authorial copyright on it,

Yes, in fact, he did. He did not have my permission to post it.

PERIOD.

it would be *very*
difficult to show that you suffered any financial disadvantage from his
posting since you, yourself, had already made it available on a freely
accessible website advertised here every day - what on earth are you going
to sue him FOR?
I guess you will be one who will have to wait and see.

There are reasons we have the opportunity copyright our work. One of
the reasons is to CONTROL where it appears, and in what form.

Phar Lap CLEARLY and with malice aforehand VIOLATED my rights to
control where my property appears, and in what form.

In fact, I had already told vera after I sent her the story that I was
going to send her a re-write to post, since I wasn't entirely happy
with how the story came out.

Phar Lap's FLAGRANT violation of my copyright makes a reposting of an
update UNTHINKABLE.

He also has sent me a non-too-subltle threat that I can COUNT on him
to violate my coypright and to repost elsewhere ANYTHING ELSE I post
there.


As for the monetary value, I have made more $$$ from my writing over a
3-year period than YOU have likely earned in your entire life.

At any rate, I thank you AGAIN, for your consideration, and for your
being so respectful of copyright law.

You are just another criminal.


jw
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Some no good son of a bitch demoniac has cancelled another
one of my accounts.
When I find out WHO it was their ass will be incarcerated
after they answer to a judge and jury.
Demoniac.
God bless
jw
Did you ever stop to think, it might be you? Did you stop to
think it might be the way you acted or treated someone?
think about it.
I don't think liar johnny can lose enough accounts. Now he's
posting under his old name of john_seeks. It was
ujb
I thought I seen that name before. That is one of the reasons I
answered. Another one, I did think it was him.
It is an ANCIENT account name, the hotmail account. And if you
two geniuses had looked just a LITTLE more closely, he didn't use
Which means you are two of those geniuses who see what you want to
see, not what is there.
The made up account he used was
Good grief!
You two need lives!
Larry, you continue to disappoint as you join those who daily
crucify me.
Running low on nails, are you, Larry?
Jesus must be so proud of you right now!
jw
John,
Get off you high horse.
What's the bit about you looking so closely to see if it's really
me?
Concentrate on what's being said, not if it's me or a fake.
SHEEEEEEEESH!!
You are not that mighty.
NOW YOU are a liar, by your own accounting, Larry, since you have
now claimed that I claimed to be mighty.
I have made no such claim.
Like I said, I
remembered the name john seeks.
Got it.
From your digging into my background! You should be SO proud of
that! Gutter rat!
I am sorry for thinking it was you.
Save it. I don't believe your sincerity anymore.
No one who's as buddy buddy with Elaien as you are these days is
sincere.
I now consider you every bit as phony as SHE obviously is.
You have become an Elaine's butt kisser, and you have yet to repent
for falsely accusing me of lying.
Plus you have falsely accused me REPEATEDLY in the past year, more
than a few times calling me a liar.
So I no longer list you on my short list of people I trust.
But what I said to him, applies to you also John.
Suit yourself.
jw
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John,
I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with you,
you are just not worth the time or effort.
Thanks, Larry!
God bless you, too!
Elaine's butt kisser!
You may think me worthless! God loves me!
jw
Of course God loves you, John.
Thanks again for your on-going encouragement, vera.

I'm sending you a note. Watch for it.

jw
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Some no good son of a bitch demoniac has cancelled another
one of my accounts.
When I find out WHO it was their ass will be incarcerated
after they answer to a judge and jury.
Demoniac.
God bless
jw
Did you ever stop to think, it might be you? Did you stop to
think it might be the way you acted or treated someone?
think about it.
I don't think liar johnny can lose enough accounts. Now he's
posting under his old name of john_seeks. It was
ujb
I thought I seen that name before. That is one of the reasons I
answered. Another one, I did think it was him.
It is an ANCIENT account name, the hotmail account. And if you
two geniuses had looked just a LITTLE more closely, he didn't use
Which means you are two of those geniuses who see what you want to
see, not what is there.
The made up account he used was
Good grief!
You two need lives!
Larry, you continue to disappoint as you join those who daily
crucify me.
Running low on nails, are you, Larry?
Jesus must be so proud of you right now!
jw
John,
Get off you high horse.
What's the bit about you looking so closely to see if it's really
me?
Concentrate on what's being said, not if it's me or a fake.
SHEEEEEEEESH!!
You are not that mighty.
NOW YOU are a liar, by your own accounting, Larry, since you have
now claimed that I claimed to be mighty.
I have made no such claim.
Like I said, I
remembered the name john seeks.
Got it.
From your digging into my background! You should be SO proud of
that! Gutter rat!
I am sorry for thinking it was you.
Save it. I don't believe your sincerity anymore.
No one who's as buddy buddy with Elaien as you are these days is
sincere.
I now consider you every bit as phony as SHE obviously is.
You have become an Elaine's butt kisser, and you have yet to repent
for falsely accusing me of lying.
Plus you have falsely accused me REPEATEDLY in the past year, more
than a few times calling me a liar.
So I no longer list you on my short list of people I trust.
But what I said to him, applies to you also John.
Suit yourself.
jw
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John,
I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with you,
you are just not worth the time or effort.
Thanks, Larry!
God bless you, too!
Elaine's butt kisser!
You may think me worthless! God loves me!
jw
Of course God loves you, John.
Thanks again for your on-going encouragement, vera.

I'm sending you a note. Watch for it.

jw
~ vera ~
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You certainly have the right to your POV. Does John have the right to
HIS?
Oh, I can show you any number of posts by John where he makes it clear
that he feels others do NOT have the right to express their points of
view, where he's flat out said that anyone who disagrees with what he
posts should ignore him rather than respond stating their POV.
Anyway, to answer your question, John certainly has the right to his
POV. As for STATING said POV, though, he doesn't have the right to do
so in groups where it's entirely off-topic.
Thant AGAIN, is your POV. Which John evidently does not share.

And you can continue to waste time, energy, and blood pressure meds
fuming over his "off-topic" posts, or you can take the low-key
approach and simply not read his posts.

Must you CLEANSE the internet of all contrary thought?

Come now!

This is not the 1940's, and we are not living under the 3rd Reich.

John is free to express his POV, and you are free to not read his
posts.

ALL you have said, in a PLETHORA of worsd, is that you are intolerant
of posters who have thoughts contrary to your own..


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jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
See jw, you are stupid.
In fact, I am not. My views-- however contrary to yours-- are NOT
a reflection of my native intelligence, your bullying to the contrary.

If I told you how smart I am, in fact, you likely would not believe
me.
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary theory big
enough to drive Mack trucks through with room to spare.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about your
background; it's your intelligence (or lack of) as exhibited by your
posts I'm concerned about.
I could not care less about your opinion, either.'

If you beileve in evolution, it has NOTHING to do with native
intelligence and EVERYthing to do with world view.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
You were a gofer for various companies. Good for you!
I thought I made it clear, moron, that I was a documentation
specialist.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
So do most brilliant scientists drink bold or mild coffee?
Hehehe.

Congratulations. Now I know one person who chuckled.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
Idiot, you don't even know what sarcasm is.
Idiot. What color is the sky on your home planet?

And since I have now given yuo all this time to indicate some sign of
intelligent life, and all you can muster are junior high school- level
putdowns that are equivalent to "let's compare sizes", I leave you.


jw



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( microsoft and parenting groups removed )
Please join me in daily prayer for the victims of this
horrible London bomb terrorist attack that has killed
at least 40 and wounded many others.
Nothing like exploiting that tragedy to forward your own
agenda, eh?
Your comment forwards yours, does it not?
Pay no attention to that whooshing sound...
You WERE referring to your bleeting, weren't you?

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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
Where is here, you dumped your load to the following groups.
free.christians,microsoft.public.handheldpc,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.christnet.public,alt.parenting.solutions
No less than three have nothing to do with your pettifoggery.
And YOU, crawls, are continually dumping YOUR load in the baptist
group, which has nothing to do with YOUR pettifoggery or your
silliness.

Do you now claim that you are the only one who is allowed to post your
crap whre it's not wanted?


"what goes around..."


jw
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create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
You are not worth the effort.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
Apparently these xian boards include three that are not xian, & one that could care less. So, get back to me when you figure out what gave you the authority to speak for anyojne else besides your petty mean spirited self.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Please learn how to use your news reader & accept responsibility for your own conduct.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
John
That is babbling bible john, not jake?
walksalone who is not surprised that babbling bible john, not jake, is unhappy with the mess it created. His ilk rarely are.
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Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Just so that you know, I tell you, your message was posted to the
free.christians, microsoft.public.handheldpc, alt.atheism,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.christnet.public,
alt.parenting.solutions
Actually why do you crosspost at all if you already know that you will
not be welcomed by some of these?
I specially do not comprehend is your reason for posting to
microsoft.public.handheldpc ???????????????????????????????????????
What has Bill Gates got to do with theology? Is your church now running
on Windows platform?
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
Yes, an enlightened and gifted man, G Bernard Shaw.

jw

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Sorry for posting this to the non christian boards, my mistake.
Oh, okay. But how about all the many other Christian posts you've been
making to the non-Christian boards? Does this mean you've put an end to
that?
One can hope. My views are if anything even MORE conservative than
John's in the Christian theology/doctrine area, but as I've noted to
you in the atheism and handheldpc areas previously, I have absolutely
NO sympathy for John when he posts where he is not wanted, and I've
told him as much.

I will point out to you folks AGAIN, however, that my pointing out the
folly of that activity (in my view) in NO way means I can promise that
he will see the wisdom of my advice.

I therefore recommend to you that you simply killfile him or don't
read his posts, and I recommend he do the same.

jw

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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:36:18 -0700, Bible John
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Good luck with that John.

It would be my advice for you to make note of those who are posting
hateful messages to you and killfile them.

Bear in mind that many who you consider "hateful" are people in groups
you are cross-posting to. Like handhelfpc and alt.atheism.

Perhaps you are beginning to see the value of my advice awhile back to
not go where you aren't wanted.


God bless.



jw
John
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Apologies to the Group: I Plagiarized scripture without intending To
I at first thought that my "title" would add sufficiently to the text.
On 2nd thought (and after a dozen of you commented), I decided you all
were right.
I apologize (if you think that is necessary), and I believe I have
come up with a satisfactory solution.
Now, if Jim Agar will apologize for plagiarizing ME,
And if the other criminal who reposted my entire short story violating
my copyright will come forth and apologize, and STOP!!
At least I have rectified my mistake.
jw
Accepted and forgotten
And YOU are reminded, Larry, that YOU are one who has FREQUENTLY
falsely accused me of refusing to ever admit I'm wrong.
Show me where I ever said that John. Show the post in here.
Here we go again. You now choose to deny that you have FREQUENTLY
called me a liar.

You refuse to even repent when you are called on it.

You have gone over to the enemy.

You are killfiled.


jw
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That wasn't true, Larry. But if I were to assume YOUR POV, I'd have to
call you a "liar" over that one.
And I am not calling you a liar. I am pointing out to you that those
accusations are both uncalled for, and WRONG, and you should
apologize.
But I bet you won't.
Prove me wrong.
See above
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Apologies to the Group: I Plagiarized scripture without intending To
Get caught, but we already knew that.
Unlike you, demon, I do apologize when a mistake I've made is brought
to my attention.
jw
The scriptures do not tell us to forgive when someone apologizes, but to
forgive when someone repents (changes their behavior) ...
My mistakenly posting the scripture under my "copyright" indicated a
mistake in judgement, NOT "misbehavior."
Since it was not intentional, I did nothing wrong.
All the ugly remarks I got from people in here ARE something they all
need to apologize for.
But knowing the majority of those who dump on me daily, I won't hold
my breath.
you're biggest
mistake is logging
You used the wrong form.
The "you're" you have used is a contraction of the term
"you are".
The CORRECT phrase would be
"your"
on to your computer, why don't you repent of that?
Is the guy with the gun at your head still forcing you to read my
posts?
If he is, let me know, and I'll dial 9-1-1.
Last I heard, it's still a free country, and there is even freedom of
speech on usenet.
I am free to speak my mind, and you are free to remain a jerk.
jw
As you are being a jerk when you presume that I or anyone else cares about
"your" or "you're" in a USENET post,
Well, my point that you missed was, if you are goingn to talk about
things that don't interest ME in the least (like your POV), I'll bore
you to tears with English grammar, which OBVIOUSLY bores you, but
which I find fascinating.
Everybody needs a hobby, I suppose.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
FYI, I don't even bother with spell
checkers ...
You're KIDDING!
R E A L L Y ???
but when you start worrying about spelling and grammer, it's an
open admission that you've run out of intelligent things to say ...
That's the illiterate view of those who don't know spelling and
grammar.
(BTW, I have had published in various magazines, poems, crossword puzzles,
short stories, and cartoons, in the past, I know a bit about grammer, but
this is USENET, so, not the place.
And precisely where is that law recorded?

I haven't seen it, but I HAVE seen a lot of the illiterate comment
that this is the one place they can be themselves.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That's like not enjoying good art (the Mona Lisa, the Last Supper, the
David) because you've never studied it or seen it.
And, yes, I've seen all 3.
Never had the pleasure of seeming them in RL,
To be friendly for a brief moment, they are AWESOME. I saw the David
before it was attacked by a madman with a hammer. I saw the Mona Lisa
and the LAst Supper, all 3 while in Europe in the "forces".

I wondered why the lines moved so slowly. It took LITERALLY HOURS of
waiting in long lines to get in.

But once I saw those magnificent MASTERPIECES, I understood the word
"masterpiece"; it's a piece done by one of the MASTERS.

And I understood why the lines were so slow. Seeing one of the
masterpieces becomes a religious experience, and one you had come
eye-ball to eye-ball with the David-- the most perfect piece of
sculpture on the planet-- you didn't want to leave its presence.

You stand in awe of ABSOLUTE PERFECTION.

According to the experts, there is no more perfect painting on the
planet than the Mona Lisa. When you see it, from 30 feet away, you
understand.

but I have sold a couple
cartoons and some paintings I've done, but I enjoy working with pen and ink
the most.
Good luck with your art. I have made almost a $ million from mine.
That and salesmanship.

But at my peak, I was one of the higset paid writers in the business.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Don't assume because everyone YOU know is illiterate, that that is ok.
It's not.
oops ...
wait ... my bad ... I forgot who I was talking to ... you've never had
anything intelligent to say.
In which case you have YET to explain why you've become my mascot!
I don't like bullies.
I may be abrasive; I may be confrontive; I am not a bully.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Every time I look over my shoulder, you're gnawing on my shoe!
I don't like bullies.
Then stop reading my posts.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Actually I've had you killfiled more than once, but I had to reformat
twice
in the last month and haven't gotten around to it again ...
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
Before I got my copy of XP, I had to reformat about twice a month.
That can be a hassle!
Actually I run XP, a router, antivirus, anti-spyware, popup blocker and a
"windows - washer," the first time a file got corrupted and instead of just
reinstalling XP, I figured that I'd reformat and not put on a long list of
software I haven't used in awhile, then, I was less than careful with the
configurations in Window Washer" and it erased my destop settings giving me
a black on black desktop, so I reformated so I could see, and decided I
really needed even less software - just what was necessary to look stuff up,
read email and this group, make midis, and work on my web site -- by the
way, I have changed my website and blog, on the website, I have, at this
time, only midis (although I have spent the last couple days working on a
new composition for Classical guitar and may put the sheet music for my own
compositions back on) and am using the blog to announce new midis and review
music software, books, and DVDs, but, anyway, all is fine now, I'll get
around to killfiling here soon, but I have had my grand daughter to look
after full-time the last two days (only half a day today) and my wife has
started a 4- day weekend -- being an activities director at a children's
home, she had to work all last weekend, so gets double days off this
weekend.
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really should
though, cuts the posts down at least half, it seems, and I may not agree
with everyone else here, but at least, pretty much, everyone else isn't so
disagreeable.
Well, I am sorry for my behavior disorder!
If you were "really sorry" you'd at least consider saving your posts as
drafts while you take a breather and go back and check them out later before
sending.
You don't get it. I am not aware of my "bad behavior" when I am doing
it. Picture someone who is tone deaf who still wants to play the
trumpet in the orchestra. The orchestra gives him permission, but
tells him to "play quietly" so they can drown him out.

Nevertheless he still gets excited and plays more loudly than he
should, and since he is tone deaf, he still can't hear the sour notes.
The ONLY way he knows he's hitting wrong notes is all the frowns he
gets.

The SOLUTION is that if you don't like my posts, don't read them.

If you are going to read them, don't complain about the content.

You may as well tell someone with CP to "stop twitching!"

In the meantime, the solution is simple.

I shall killfile YOU.


EVERYONE has some sort of behavior disorder, just like EVERYBODY
comes from a disfunctional family, the "sin" is not in the "temptation" but
in the giving in to it.
You neither understand nor care to. If you DID understand, you could
EASILY look up bi-polar disorder on the web.

You would rather remain ignorant, assume lots of things wreongly like
the closed-minded, narrow-minded bigot you are (honesty),and throw
rocks at every opportunity,

merely because I'm not as perfect as you believe you are.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
But you know about it by now, so if you keep coming in here and
reading my posts, you are indeed a masochist, and that's not something
*I* can fix.
And I remain unable to put up with the likes of you without giving you
a piece of my mind.
Tact and diplomacy are two 'behavior methods" of which I know little.
Obviously.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I make up for it with brutal truth.
No, you make up for it with bullying.
I prefer my word. It is honest. Your words are a judgement call from a
narrow-minded, closed-minded, bigot who thinks all fundamentalist
Christtians need a lobotomy.


You are killfiled.


jw

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John,
Calm down, but just in case you can't, perhaps you better then give me
the number for 911.
JohnH
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jw
And I have given you yet ANOTHER opportunity to do the Christian thing
and to blame those who DELIBERATLY plagiarize.
You have yet to prove your case.
But you won't do that.
I can't do that until you prove your case.
You're too busy trying to play mind games with me.
Actually, it doesn't keep me too busy, at all.
Only one person I know things you're "cutesy", John.
What? Only one who "things" that? I'd a thought there'd be at least
two.
And I just checked with him, and he dosen't find you "cutesy" either.
He "dosen't"?
I'm hurting, John, but you don't bother to soothe me.
John, don't toy with my emotions. You know how I get.
When did you stop pretending to be a Christian?
When I realized surrendering was better.
You just plant your #10 where everyone else plants theirs!
Some people only understand "tough-love."
Well, mine's a #13, John.
There you go again, comparing mine to yours. (Uh, what are we talking
about here? Never mind, I don't even want to know.)
I thought it was obvious, John H. Get your mind out of the gutter.
Considering that I had to ask, why did your mind conjure up that
proverbial gutter, hmmm?
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When someone threatens to kick your ass, one way of saying it is that
they're going to shove their #10 or #11 up your butt.
I see. So since you're the one who brought shoe-size into this
conversation, then you are admitting to having communicated a threat
here. John, would you mind sharing the number of the FBI with me now?
By all means, John, if you think that's your best course of action.

Call the FBI and be laughed at.

They're busy chasing terrorists and keeping America safe, and you're
going to point to a metaphor as a threat!

John!

you are too big a waste of time and air!

I am trying in my own feeble way, to help people into the kingdom, or
to answer their qusetions from the Bible.

Your favorite sport seems to be kick the handicapped.


you are killfiled.



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John,
Calm down, but just in case you can't, perhaps you better then give me
the number for 911.
JohnH
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jw
And I have given you yet ANOTHER opportunity to do the Christian thing
and to blame those who DELIBERATLY plagiarize.
You have yet to prove your case.
Ah hem. I don't remember ever saying I have anything to prove to you,
John.
Ahem, ahem. But you want me to blame Jim for something as yet
unproven? That's not the way we do things in America, John.
If you were up to doing anything constructive OTHER than blaming me
for World War I and every other evil thing you could think of, you
could have looked at the bottom of his post and seen two of my haikus
typed in paragraph form.

jw
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And yet again you refuse to show a Christian example.
Perhaps were you to give better examples for me to follow?
But I'm the mentally ill, malcontent, am I not?

What's YOUR excuse for REFUSING to set an example?

And you ARE REFUSING to set an example.

For every new "depth" you accuse me of sinking to, you crawl lower in
pointing it out.

To what end?

AGAIN, John H, you have LONG since given up any pretence to being a
Christian as you CONTINUE to seek new "low blows."

This is not a pissing contest, John.

I TRIED to do something for Christ, by posting a scripture passage
that has had meaning for me.

But you don't like me, so you IGNORED that I had tried to do something
positive, and you have been throwing rocks ever since.

Grow up! Take your eyes off me MY faults, John H! Set your eyes back
on Christ, if that is possible for you to do.

You really don't have to look for a "new way to put me in my place."

That is TRULY NOT what this is about; yet if that IS what this is
about for YOU, then I qusetion your basic Christianity.

You CONTINUE to seek ONLY to win a verbal sparring match with a
mentally ill person.

Shame on you!

I had somehow given you more credit than that!


jw

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I have worked in a variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period
as a documentation person, and I LOT of the scientists I worked with--
the best in the field-- were Christians who were commited to
Creationism.
The FACTS of science do not "prove" either creation or evolution. The
FACTS merely state what the world is made of.
Evolution wants us to believe that we can take the finest 17 Jewel
Swiss watch, tear it apart carefully til no two pieces are attached,
put it in a bag, shake it for a million years, open the bag, and we'll
have a reassembled, properly tuned 17 Jewel Swiss watch.
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
And you quite apparently did not learn much!
Another "genius" burps.

jw
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for a person claiming to "have worked in a
variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period"! Why do
creationists continually embarrass themselves
And I didn't embarrass myself. Not a little.
jw
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And by the way-- to address your final ridiculoud point however
briefly.
Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
And if you weren't there-- whether 6 thousand or 6 million or 6
billion years ago when this universe came into being,
yuo have no right to tell me how it happened.
Now THAT IS dumb!
"I wasn't there, but I KNOW what happened!"
Any judge would laugh you out of court!
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Please join me in daily prayer for the victims of this horrible
London bomb terrorist attack that has killed at least 40 and
wounded many others.
Nothing like exploiting that tragedy to forward your own agenda, eh?
Your comment forwards yours, does it not?

jw
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 23:52:02 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:49:27 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:20:31 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:55:28 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC), "Royal Master"
Do not read the story to avoid dissapointments
Sad that you are so small-minded that you'd assume every else
would have the same negative reaction to my story you did;
that is, if you read it.
jw
Do not care about this troll, John. Who cares about his opinion?
He simply wants to malign the website. He likes to supports
"Christian gays" who say "The Lord is my shepherd and he knows I
am gay" - just imagine.
Love to you, brother in Christ,
~ vera ~
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~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
I have a question for you. Would you post something on your that
claims it is their copyright when it is not?
Not if I knew, Larry. Why? Is there such a thing? I would take it
down at once.
~ vera ~
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~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
Yes Vera, the new site that you posted about John is not his
copyright. The title may be, and his name. But that is all. The
verses that he posted he did not write. Those came from another
author.
Which author, Larry?
I see that it is no longer there though. So that solves the problem
and answers my question.
Yes, I will take it back until this is proved. I cannot find anything
about this story in the internet, so maybe someone might help.
Maybe you wrte me a private e-mail in such a case next time?
Nah! Larry MUCH prefers PUBLIC embarrassment to handling things in a
Christian manner with a private email.
Why do things privately when one can make a fuss PUBLICLY?
Larry, you continue to live beneath my low expectations!
Where went the "peacemaker" you were when you joined the group?
Yes, Larry, that's what you were when I first came to ARCB.
Nothing left of it?
Thanks be to God!

I thought he had you fooled just briefly, Vera!

This place truly is a den of thieves, liars, and murderers.

But we will bless it for Christ, even if we are but a handful.

God bless!

jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
You decided you preferred to capitulate rather than to be beaten up
for the faith?
jw
Larry
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:53:58 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:49:27 +0200, "~ vera ~"
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:20:31 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:55:28 +0200, "~ vera ~"
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC), "Royal Master"
Do not read the story to avoid dissapointments
Sad that you are so small-minded that you'd assume every else
would have the same negative reaction to my story you did;
that is, if you read it.
jw
Do not care about this troll, John. Who cares about his
opinion?
He simply wants to malign the website. He likes to supports
"Christian gays" who say "The Lord is my shepherd and he knows
I am gay" - just imagine.
Love to you, brother in Christ,
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
I have a question for you. Would you post something on your that
claims it is their copyright when it is not?
Not if I knew, Larry. Why? Is there such a thing? I would take it
down at once.
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
Yes Vera, the new site that you posted about John is not his
copyright. The title may be, and his name. But that is all. The
verses that he posted he did not write. Those came from another
author.
Which author, Larry?
The author of 2 Kings Vera. When John claimed it as his copyright,
he was claiming the whole page. And he did not write 2 Kings. But
the problem is solved, John has apologized, matter is closed.
Oh, I see - you decide when matters are closed? You start them, and
you close them. Fine.
Yes I do decide when matters are closed as far as I am concerned.
That is so good - that is the same what I do if someone else does not ask
me for my opinion about it to close a matter together. That would be the
Christian way, but you may not have heard of it yet.
EOD
Good thing because you are making a jackass out of yourself Vera.
She learned all she knows on the subject from you, SL.

You just DESPISE us born again Christians, don't you?

God bless!


jw
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:53:58 +0200, "~ vera ~"
Yes I do decide when matters are closed as far as I am concerned.
That is so good - that is the same what I do if someone else does not
ask me for my opinion about it to close a matter together. That would be
the Christian way, but you may not have heard of it yet.
I can't help note how fast you are to anger when you don't get your way.
My but that's fun to watch! I can just see you stomping your foot in
frustration :)
ujibwa
Note, the adult Jim, ever making positive comments, ever trying to
cool the fires, always with something nice to day.

Thanks for more of your always-positive input, Jim.

Jesus continues to be very proud of you.

He has told me you are the apple of His eye.

(not that that matters to you)


jw

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:53:58 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:49:27 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:20:31 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:55:28 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC), "Royal Master"
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Do not read the story to avoid dissapointments
Sad that you are so small-minded that you'd assume every else
would have the same negative reaction to my story you did;
that is, if you read it.
jw
Do not care about this troll, John. Who cares about his
opinion?
He simply wants to malign the website. He likes to supports
"Christian gays" who say "The Lord is my shepherd and he knows
I am gay" - just imagine.
Love to you, brother in Christ,
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
I have a question for you. Would you post something on your that
claims it is their copyright when it is not?
Not if I knew, Larry. Why? Is there such a thing? I would take it
down at once.
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
Yes Vera, the new site that you posted about John is not his
copyright. The title may be, and his name. But that is all. The
verses that he posted he did not write. Those came from another
author.
Which author, Larry?
The author of 2 Kings Vera. When John claimed it as his copyright,
he was claiming the whole page. And he did not write 2 Kings. But
the problem is solved, John has apologized, matter is closed.
Oh, I see - you decide when matters are closed? You start them, and
you close them. Fine.
I am not sure if this matter is closed for me.
It certainly isn't closed for me.
I made an honest mistake. It was pointed out. I fixed it. But I have
still had to answer some 30 ugly remarks from false accusers who say I
commited some capital crime (punishable by death).
In fact, an honest mistake is NOT plagiarism.
That is true - you did your best! I am proud of you!
It really makes me cry when I see how the Christians towards handicapped
people.
Careful there, Vera! Jesus said we are not known for what we SAY, but
for what we DO about what we say.

When these people take PRIDE for how they mistreat the handicapped--
Elaine has BRAGGED about her OPEN ridicule of the mentally ill-- that
is not Christianity.

I am not fooled. I have been at this Christianity stuff for over 50
years now.

And Jesus is not fooled.


jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
The whole concept of "plagiarism" REQUIRES DELIBERATELY using someone
else's words without attribution.
What Elaine has done to me is a PRIME example.
No one has made a stenk about Elaine's plagiarism!
jw
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
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Larry
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I see that it is no longer there though. So that solves the
problem and answers my question.
Yes, I will take it back until this is proved. I cannot find
anything about this story in the internet, so maybe someone might
help.
Maybe you wrte me a private e-mail in such a case next time?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Larry
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
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What Elaine has done to me is a PRIME example.
No one has made a stenk about Elaine's plagiarism!
That's because 'Elaine' has not plagiarized you.
I'm willing to let a judge determine that; how about you?

In the meantime, I am taking steps to have your web page closed down.
I HAVE checked with the owner of your web page, and they do not
tolerate plagiarism.

I suggest you read the rules. You have broken them.



jw


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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
We knew YOU didn't! This issue concerns John Weatherly. You don't
care
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
about John. You hvae made that VERY obvious.
But I still love you.
With YOUR brand of 'love' I'd rather eat rat poison.
We all make choices.

If you choose to eat poison, I can only encourage you.


What a silly thing to say.

Nor have I seen any love from YOU in the past 5 YEARS.

There's an old saying, Elaine. IT goes like this.

What goes around comes around.

The Bible puts it this way.

YOU reap what YOU sew.



jw


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Congradulations!
again the self-proclaimed wordsmith demonstrates his lack of ability
to spell CONGRATulations...............
How sad!



I tried to do something to honor Christ.

I posted a scripture passage that has had special meaning for me.


It's a passage that says basically, "when you feel the whole world
closing in around you,

LOOK UP!

You are not alone!!"


And the small-minded haters and bigots of the world have done nothing
but try every possible way to demean that effort to honor God, merely
because someone they DESPISE has made a mistake in that effort.

As I was taught since my childhood,

"Praise the Lord ANYHOW!"

I wonder if He is honored by the attitudes and actions of these
small-minded bigots.



jw

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Subject: Re: New Story by John Weatherly on Growing Deeper
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:03:37 +0200, "~ vera ~"
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Not? What did it give you then? Power? The feeling of being right?
More
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
self-esteem by pointing out to the mistakes of others publicly? You
will
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
know. God will know, too.
DO get real
p k

jw


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Basically John is mentally ill. Everything he says or does must be
filtered
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through that fact.
He should STILL be held accountable for his numerous THREATS.
You WILL be held accountable for your numerous CRIMES.


jw


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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Basically John is mentally ill. Everything he says or does must be
filtered
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through that fact.
And don't forget that SL is also mentally ill. She's also in ACUTE
denial, so you must filter all HER remarks through that fact.
jw
and of course, according to you, weatherly, everyone with the good
sense to disagree with you is auto-labeled 'mentally ill' BY you.
Another in your ever growing stack of lies.

jw

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And one of John H's delusions is that anyone cares what he thinks
besides John H.
Many people DO. YOUR problem is, most people don't care about YOUR
ridiculous comments, your sexual fixations and guttermouth.
Hey, Elaine.

read my lips.

you know what I'm going to say. You always claim you do.

jw

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And we won't hold our breath waiting for you to realize that you have
become
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
totally obsessed with "proving him wrong".
poor Cathy ..........really dear, don't you have some nice housework
you should be doing?
She's merely commenting, oh hypocrite, that your favorite past time
seems to be harrassing me (illegal).

You have even DEMANDED that others use your "handle", then you REFUSE
To use theirs.



jw


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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:05:00 -0400, "Doc: The
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:31:58 +1100,
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I DO keep a paper trail of what I write.
on a long roll in the bathroom?
THAT WAS
NAUGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know --- but it was ACCURATE, ya gotta admit!!!!!!!!!!!! :o[)
Talk about "potty mouth!"
Your "idea" came right out of the TOILET!
That's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Christian of you!
jw
Johnnie, I wouldn't line the bottom of a BIRD CAGE with that trash you
call 'writing'.
But you'll slap it all over your web page.

You lying, psychopathic hypocrite.

You DEMANDED that vera remove YOUR writing from HER site, but you
REFUSE to remove mine from yours!

Which is VERY likely why she has refused to remove yours from hers!


jw


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From: jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.evangelical,alt.religion.christian.baptist,aus.religion.christian
Subject: Re: New Story by John Weatherly on Growing Deeper
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Now kindly explain, coward, why you felt COMPELLED to violate my
copyright?
So, liar John, when are -you- going to explain "why you felt COMPELLED" to steal
a news story written by someone else and call it your own?
I didn't.

Liar.

To call a news story written by someone else "my own" would be to
leave their name off and put mine on as "writer", or "written by."

I left the writer's name ON his piece, and INSTEAD, put mine atop WITH
AN EXPLANATION as the "editor."

Try again, you pathological liar.


jw
Ciao,
Falcon
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From: jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife,alt.christnet.evangelical,alt.religion.christian.baptist,aus.religion.christian
Subject: Re: New Story by John Weatherly on Growing Deeper
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
My article, my story, with an accompanying copyright, cannot be
posted
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
elsewhere without permission.
nione of your so-called 'articles' or 'stories' were copied by me, and
never would be. You're no writer.
And besides that, I am simply not interested in that crap you call
'writing'.
You god damned liar! If you aren't interested in my "crap", why is so
much of it on your web page?

As far as any "read and heed" goes,

I couldn't care less what you have to say to me other than that you're
taking my writing off your hateful, ridiculous web page.



jw

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From: jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Is this posting now?
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| x-no-archive: yes
|
| >
| >
| >
| >< snipped irrelevant lines>
| >
| >>> John,
| >>> I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with
you,
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
| >>> you are just not worth the time or effort.
| >>
| >> Larry, what are you doing there?
| >>
| >> What if Jesus might say one day you are not worth the time and
effort?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
| >>
| >> You will be judged like you judge John. Be careful. I am
worrying about
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
| >> you.
| >>
| >>
| >> Peace,
| >>
| >> ~ vera ~
| >
| >And yet it was you that posted on April 2, 2005 this reply to Doc.
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| >> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:32:50 +0200, "~ vera ~"
| >
| >>> If you know all that will happen so well, why do you have to
write
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
post
| >>> after post about it? It seems you occupy yourself a little bit
too
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
much
| >>> with John. Maybe you should start to have a look at yourself. I
have
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
only
| >>> read inflaming from you in the last weeks. It seems you cannot
get
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
over
| >>> yourself.
| >
| >
| >> yup-- your little nemesis has 'taught you' well !
| >
| >
| >
| >You are not worth another line.
| >
| >
| >__________________________________________
| >
| >Have you had a change of heart - or you just double minded?
| >
| >Al (Axel)
| >
|
| Elaine was and is acting in a VERY ugly, VERY unChristian manner.
I
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
| was not.
|
|
| jw
| x-no-archive: yes
By the way, I save this for special moments, John H, but this is one
of those.
Go fuck yourself!
jw
good point, galia.............
Oh, Elaine! It's not like you've never heard the words before!

And I'd bet $10 you've used them!

Even if only under your breath!

At LEAST I am HONEST about it.

You haven't had an honest moment in 10 years.


jw


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From: jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Is this posting now?
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|
| >
| >
| >
| >< snipped irrelevant lines>
| >
| >>> John,
| >>> I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with you,
| >>> you are just not worth the time or effort.
| >>
| >> Larry, what are you doing there?
| >>
| >> What if Jesus might say one day you are not worth the time and effort?
| >>
| >> You will be judged like you judge John. Be careful. I am worrying about
| >> you.
| >>
| >>
| >> Peace,
| >>
| >> ~ vera ~
| >
| >And yet it was you that posted on April 2, 2005 this reply to Doc.
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| >> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:32:50 +0200, "~ vera ~"
| >
| >>> If you know all that will happen so well, why do you have to write
post
| >>> after post about it? It seems you occupy yourself a little bit too
much
| >>> with John. Maybe you should start to have a look at yourself. I have
only
| >>> read inflaming from you in the last weeks. It seems you cannot get
over
| >>> yourself.
| >
| >
| >> yup-- your little nemesis has 'taught you' well !
| >
| >
| >
| >You are not worth another line.
| >
| >
| >__________________________________________
| >
| >Have you had a change of heart - or you just double minded?
| >
| >Al (Axel)
| >
|
| Elaine was and is acting in a VERY ugly, VERY unChristian manner. I
| was not.
|
|
| jw
| x-no-archive: yes
By the way, I save this for special moments, John H, but this is one
of those.
Go fuck yourself!
jw
By the way, I save this for special moments, galia, but this is one
of those.
Go fuck yourself!
jw
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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Is this posting now?
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<snipped>
I know something about the subject. I have a BA in Journalism!
If you quote someone, even a SNIP, you MUST attach their name, and you
must get permission.
Funny...you never sought my permission to quote me in your new thread
[John Hennekes: What A HYPOCRITE! Castigates ME for "Plagiarism" But
Ignores Jim's],
You are AGAIN being DELIBERATELY ridiculous.
My, but what big letters you write with, Grandma.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I don't see a copyright notice attached to each of YOUR posts. There
is a copyright notice attached to each of MY posts.
You said, and I quote, "If you quote someone, even a SNIP, you MUST
attach their name, and you must get permission." Absolutely no mention
of "copyright notice" to be seen.
You are back to playing quibble quibble toddler games.

When you decide to be an adult for a change, get back to me.

The topic -- my copyright being violated-- didn't change simply
becuase you want to play word games.

AGAIN, John, explain to me please, how this behavior of yours honors
Christ.

I say it doesn't.

And I say that that LONG ago stopped even being a consideration in
your mind.

Pharisee, hypocrite.

child.


jw

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Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: Is this posting now?
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:25:48 -0400, "Doc: The
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And the quotes DO embarrass me, since you took them out of context,
WITHOUT PERMISSION, WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION, TO EMBARRASS ME.
then stop making such a public menace of yourself, weatherly.
BEHAVE YOURSELF for one week
show me how.

Behave yourself for one day.

I also do not live to live by YOUR standards, whatever they may be.


and I'll remove your trash.

Lie.


jw

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From: jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist,microsoft.public.handheldpc,alt.bible,free.christians,alt.christnet.public,alt.parenting.solutions
Subject: Re: Exegetical Bible Message 2 Tim 4:2
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
evangelize the lost.
Yeah, well, it's interesting that he often decides who is "lost" based
on who stands up to his lies and whining in non-religious newsgroups.
That's right, argue with him on some technical topic and he considers
you "lost" without any knowledge at all of your religious convictions.
Also, I doubt very much that God approves of off-topic posts to
newsgroups.
You certainly have the right to your POV. Does John have the right to
HIS?


jw


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From: jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist,microsoft.public.handheldpc,alt.bible,free.christians,alt.christnet.public,alt.parenting.solutions
Subject: Re: Exegetical Bible Message 2 Tim 4:2
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:19:06 -0700,
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
You could also killfile him.
Sorry, not possible. He doesn't use a single username to post
from. See <http://macconsult.com/identities> for the large
number of posting identities that Mr. Wolf uses (and continues
to create).
For this reason, it is also not possible to "ignore" posts from
him, because he simply creates additional identities.
No doubt you think it is very Christian of him to disrupt ongoing
business in other newsgroups.
You falsely accuse me. I believe I have stated very clearly that this
is one area in which John and I disagree.

I have also stated that I have voiced my disapproval to John, which is
all I can do.

He feels very strongly that he should be posting to your group, and so
I have left it with God.

That is all I can do.

I suggest that you do what I have done. Study his style enough that
you can recognize him from his opening words, say the first paragraph.

Once you recognize that it is John's post, move on.

And I am sorry if John sees this post and gets upset with me about it,
but I remain convinced that he is doing more harm than good in your
group, and I have said as much to him.

He IS an adult, and so he can decide these things for himself.
Charlatan!
Boy, can some people leap to the wrong conclusions!

I am on YOUR side on this one!

Have a nice day, and God bless!


jw
Beverly
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From: jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist,microsoft.public.handheldpc,alt.bible,free.christians,alt.christnet.public
Subject: Re: John Weatherly, Uncle Davey or other BELIEVERS need your help!
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:59:38 GMT, Bible Bob
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 01:24:23 GMT, Bible Bob
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:16:57 -0700, Bible John
Writing apologetics, exegetical, theological, and topical bible messages
is getting to be too complex for one person, especially the non ministry
type messages. This is only 4 catagories of messages, and I have not
even mentioned missional. If either of you have been to a christian
college, bible college or seminary you will be able to distinguish the
differences in style between the different types of messages.
Looking at my website you will see that I have not published any
THEOLOGICAL messages yet. I'd like too but have not had the time.
Perhaps one of you could assist me with these weekly bible
messages/studies, and your work will be published on my website with
your name on it. I am thinking that I could use an extra hand on the
theological and exegetical messages/studies, while I focus ONLY on the
apologetics studies and ministry topical (daily christian living
studies). For my Church Education ministries major I seem best
qualified in such areas. Although I can write excellent theological
messages, I have more study in the ministry and apologetics area.
Let me know what you think, and if you are not John Weatherly or Uncle
Davey I must first test you to see if you are not of a cult, and that
you know what you are talking about.
Some ideas for future studies.
Theology
Theology of calling
Theology of Hell
Theology of the Sabbath
Cessationalism?
Do animals go to heaven?
Theology of Fasting
Easy believism
dispensationalism
Lordship Salvation
Soul Sleep
Bible
Exegesis on the Fall of Lucifer
exegesis on 2 Tim 3:1-9
exegesis on Matt 6:25-34
Apologetgics
Evolution
Seventh Day Adventistism
Other cults
For more ideas seek out apologist Hank Hanegraaf
Ministry
Phil of Small groups
The Emerging Church
Bible translations
Other random ministry topics. For ideas seek Pastor Joel Osteen, Chip
Ingram, Fred Wilson, or other such ministry preachers.
John,
Looks to me from what you wrote that you need God's help.
The more you post, BB, the more you prove that you know NOTHING about
real Christianity.
While I would not suggest to John that this group is the best place to
"mine" for help, it is certainly scriptural for Christians to ask
other Christians to help in their time of need.
"Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find; knock, and the
door will be opened for you."
And like it,
'You do not have because you do not ask."
jw
snip
jw,
What I wrote was not mean or wrong but loving and kind. Read the
whole thing, not just the first line. If you think it is wrong for a
Christian to ask for God's help, then I think you might want to learn
and apply what I wrote to John.
Looks to me from what you wrote that you need God's help.
as you have reverted back to your posting to me in KJV misbehavior, I
leave you.

jw

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From: jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: Re: If You Missed The President's 4th of July Celebration Special a...
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You lost me at "I happen to be a Jeff Foxworthy fan." I've never seen
those words in that order before.
Why tell me you have no SOH?

He's sold a lot of records!

And the networks thought he was funny enough that he had his own
sitcom.


jw
jw <jw@yoo.hoo>
2005-07-10 12:08:58 UTC
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Subject: Re: New Story by John Weatherly on Growing Deeper
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I'd consider suing YOU for plagiarism, crawls.

But you, like your girlfriend Phar Lap, are such devout cowards yuo
hide behind phony names and phony e-mail addresses.

"Your day will come."


jw
Post by w***@dirty.dastardly.deeds.done.dirt.cheap.llc
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x-no-archive: yes
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch
:)
Jani
even MORE entertaining, Jani, when weatherly gets the EDUCATION he
needs.
No plagiaryor copyright violation was committed, for sure.
And let's face it---- if weatherly imagines his writing is so
wonderful, you'd think he'd be pleased someone posted the thing here
in its entirety!
Doc :o)
Quite seriously, though - I have a few friends who are professional writers,
and they are *extremely* careful about what they publish on the Net, and
what is kept separate for print publication.
You CONTINUE to miss the greater issue, which is one of CONTROL.
I as an author should have the final say as to where my work appears,
and in what form.
You do have the final say. You have the choice to place your work wherever
you wish. You *don't* have control over the Net or the Web, however.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Phar Lap, -- and YOU -- have now shown utterly NO regards for my
intellectual rights, regardless of what you think of my writing
ability.
I haven't made any comment on the quality of your writing. I've commented
solely on the legalities and practicalities of intellectual property
legislation, which you'd do well to consider if you intend to publish both
on the Web and in print.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
In its current state, that story now will reflect POORLY on my writing
talents.
I have EVERY intent to rewrite it, as vera and I had previously agreed
would be the process.
Then as I said elsethread, if your complaint is that a first draft appeared
on Vera's site without your permission, your issue is a private one *with
her*.
You CONTINUE to be slow to understand, and with your careless
attitude, I am not inclinded to explain further.
The ONLY point that matters is that Phar Lap posted my story
DELIBERATELY, KNOWING he would piss me off, and THAT is PRECISELY WHY
he did it.
He has said REPEATEDLY that he considers my writing "trash", so why
would he take if off the site and post it in here?
To violate my copyright!
(duh)
And to say to me, "Now, sucka! What are YOU going to do about it? You
don't even know who I am?"
And YOU are so DULL minded, you can ONLY look at me and give advice.
You couldn't care less that Phar Lap violated me VERY DELIBERATELY,
for the sole purpose of pissing me off!
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
But if Phar Lap and others (like you) are going to show NO regard for
my legal rights, I don't DARE put up anything that is close to
publishable for fear of being ripped off by people I can't find (Phar
Lap), who REMAINS one of the biggest ANONYMOUS COWaRDS on the
internet.
Perhaps you should consider what I stated above - professional writers are
very careful about what they put on the Net and the Web.
Perhaps YOU should stay out of it.
jw
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I couldn't care less what you have to say to me other than that
you're
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taking my writing off your hateful, ridiculous web page.
your 'writing' I want no part of. However, taking some of your
ridiculous comments from usenet groups is not plagiarism. Now be
quiet.
I'll be quiet when ;you have been convicted of malicious plagiarism
and your web page has been taken down.
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
And if you had wanted it posted to numerous other alt* ngs, email lists,
yahoo groups, LJs, et al, you could have done that yourself. Are you going
to sue every single person who has posted it elsewhere?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Work which
you had already made available on a free-access site.
That is irrelevant. Virtually any site you can access the first 5 -
10 pages of is a "free-access site". That does NOT mean you can take
the contents and do with them what you will, UNLESS that is CLEARLY
stated in the copyright which is PROMINENTLY displayed on the page..
The only way around that copyright law is if there is NO copyright
displayed on the page.
Copyright statements are not the point; copyright is still vested in the
author *whether or not* there is a copyright statement. Have you any idea of
the trouble professional researchers go to, tracking down the original
authorship of unattributed material, in order to ensure that *they*
attribute correctly? Probably not ...
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
You may THINK you know copyright law. You do not.
Yes, I do. And I also know the practicalities of intellectual property
legislation, which is something that seems to have escaped you.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
As a published, degreed author for MANY years, I have kept a CLOSE ear
to copyright law-- even as it applies to publications published on the
web.
So how is it that you still don't understand it?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
He didn't plagiarise
it,
You are incorrect.
He did not take your work and attribute it as his own authorship. No
plagiarism.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
he didn't violate your authorial copyright on it,
Yes, in fact, he did. He did not have my permission to post it.
PERIOD.
Reproduction rights are not the same as authorial copyright.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
it would be *very*
difficult to show that you suffered any financial disadvantage from his
posting since you, yourself, had already made it available on a freely
accessible website advertised here every day - what on earth are you going
to sue him FOR?
I guess you will be one who will have to wait and see.
As I'm still waiting to see the "proof" for that fifth-century "baptist
church" in England? I won't hold my breath, then ;)
Merely because I did not have the foresight to photograph the church,
and merely becasue I have not been able to get anyone ELSE to
photograph it does not make the church cease to exist.
jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
There are reasons we have the opportunity copyright our work. One of
the reasons is to CONTROL where it appears, and in what form.
Phar Lap CLEARLY and with malice aforehand VIOLATED my rights to
control where my property appears, and in what form.
Then, SUE HIM! Take him to court! Explain to the judge that you yourself are
quite careless about accurate attributions of others' work, that you posted
a story on a publicly accessible website which was repeatedly advertised on
an equally publicly accessible alt* newsgroup, that you have NO idea how
many times this publicly accessible piece of work has been reposted on the
Net and the Web, but you demand reparation from someone who took this piece,
*correctly attributed to you and without breaching your authorial
copyright*, and reposted it on the very newsgroup where its location on the
Web had been advertised!
Go for it, John. Sheesh.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
In fact, I had already told vera after I sent her the story that I was
going to send her a re-write to post, since I wasn't entirely happy
with how the story came out.
Your private dealings with Vera are pretty much irrelevant here.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Phar Lap's FLAGRANT violation of my copyright makes a reposting of an
update UNTHINKABLE.
No, sorry, *you* put your first draft on Vera's *public and publicly
advertised site*. If you wanted only the final draft to appear there, it's
entirely your fault for jumping the gun.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
He also has sent me a non-too-subltle threat that I can COUNT on him
to violate my coypright and to repost elsewhere ANYTHING ELSE I post
there.
Better not put your first drafts on Vera's website, then, since anyone who
reads all the groups Vera posts to can access her site and repost your stuff
wherever they please. You could become the biggest suer on the Net, at this
rate.
AGAIN, you have NO CLUE about copyright law.
The whole point of copyright law is that the author gets to decide who
uses his material, and where it's used, and in what quantity.
The FACT that MANY choose to violate copyright law by reproducing and
reposting in an unauthorized manner doesn't mean they aren't breaking
the law.
And even if YOU don't understand copyright law, I DO.
And the ONLY thing that keeps Phar Lap out of court is that I don't
know who the bastard is.
And that point is OBVIOUS since he has YET to sprout "a pair" and let
us all know who he is.
He's one of the biggest COWARDS on the internet.
And YOU are for supporting his crimes.
Just because he can get away with it doesn't make it right.
And you STILL have NO CLUE why I am so pissed off about him ripping me
off, nor have you taken ONE NANOSECOND to ask.
You would RATHER ASSUME
and ASSUME wrongly, makilng you as big an ASS as Phar Lap.
jw
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As for the monetary value, I have made more $$$ from my writing over a
3-year period than YOU have likely earned in your entire life.
Then you'll have very little difficulty convincing the court that Phar Lap's
supposed "copyright violation" has caused you financial disadvantage, since
you'll be able to prove how much you earn from your published work .. won't
you?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
At any rate, I thank you AGAIN, for your consideration, and for your
being so respectful of copyright law.
You are just another criminal.
My gosh, John, shall I now *see you in court* for libel? Grow up, lad :)
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
And if you had wanted it posted to numerous other alt* ngs, email lists,
yahoo groups, LJs, et al, you could have done that yourself. Are you going
to sue every single person who has posted it elsewhere?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Work which
you had already made available on a free-access site.
That is irrelevant. Virtually any site you can access the first 5 -
10 pages of is a "free-access site". That does NOT mean you can take
the contents and do with them what you will, UNLESS that is CLEARLY
stated in the copyright which is PROMINENTLY displayed on the page..
The only way around that copyright law is if there is NO copyright
displayed on the page.
Copyright statements are not the point; copyright is still vested in the
author *whether or not* there is a copyright statement. Have you any idea of
the trouble professional researchers go to, tracking down the original
authorship of unattributed material, in order to ensure that *they*
attribute correctly? Probably not ...
That is likely the dumbest remark you have yet made. When there is no
attribution with the material, it may be quoted freely.
And the ONLY defense required in a court if the attribution "got lost"
from the piece is that "there was no attribution with the
article/piece when we found it."
PERIOD.
You continue to display TOTAL ignorance of copyright law while you
PRETEND to know the subject.
And don't pretend with ME!! I KNOW THE subject.
jw
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
And if you had wanted it posted to numerous other alt* ngs, email lists,
yahoo groups, LJs, et al, you could have done that yourself. Are you going
to sue every single person who has posted it elsewhere?
If I find it posted a dozen other places, that is VERY likely.
And AGAIN, thanks for your support of copyright law!
And I have not forgotten your libel.
jw
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
What you are suggesting is that I am such a liar that you can't
believe I graduated from one of the Top 5.
Provide EVIDENCE of my lying about ANYTHING,
or I'll take the above remark as libel.
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Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Not at all.
And YOU-- not a writer by ANY stretch-- presume to tell a
professionally trained, published author how copyright works.
If you BOTHERED to read the 20 copyrights like I suggested, the
copyright itself states what may and may not be used, and how.
DUH!
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1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
I will point out to you that your POV is your POV and NOT a legal
opinion.
Nor will I argue with another criminal who sees NO harm in Phar Lap
stealing my intellectual property.
jw
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Johnnie, I wouldn't line the bottom of a BIRD CAGE with that trash
you
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call 'writing'.
But you'll slap it all over your web page.
Yes, on that special page which clearly shows how you malign others,
and thank you for admitting that what you write is crap.......
So when did you stop signing your posts, Darth? when you began
ADMITTING your crimes?
jw
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You do as much creative editing as Elaine.
I don't need to plagiarize. I know how to write. And your trash I
would not walk across the room for.
But you'll post it.
jw
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You WILL be held accountable for your numerous CRIMES.
jw
I haven't committed any.
Plagiarism is a white-collar crime.
libel is a white collar crime.
harassment on the web is a white collar crime.
stalking is a crime
You have done all the above.
jw
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Larry-- like a long list of others-- considers it his sworn duty to
climb upon my back at every opportunity.
jw
then why not STOP giving everyone so much REASON TO jump on you?
Haven't you ever heard the pith, Elaine, that "character" means how
you act when you think no one is looking?
jw
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Larry-- like a long list of others-- considers it his sworn duty to
climb upon my back at every opportunity.
jw
then why not STOP giving everyone so much REASON TO jump on you?
Oh, but according to YOU and your bud galia, I LOVE it so!
Why don't YOU do the right thing, be an ADULT for a change, and NOT
kick the dog just because you can?
Are you THAT MUCH OUT OF CONTROL?
Do you STEAL just because no one's looking?
Do you LIE just because you think no one will know the difference?
Do you CHEAT just because you're sure you won't be caught?
Where is your motivation to do the right thing BECAUSE it's the right
thing?
Where's the motivation to live as Jesus commanded?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
jw
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| jw
You couldn't live without those people on usenet; it's your sworn
duty as a Narcissist to lie and abuse!
I agree with this post
Gee, Elaine! Someone's confused! (you)
You have been accusing me all this time of
1. faking it
2. being EXTREMELY mentally ill
3. being schizophrenic
now of
4. being a Narccisist.
which is it?
ALL the above? (impossible)
or NONE of the above?
Do you know how DANGEROUS that makes you in a clinical setting?
YOUR "diagnoses" change with your mood!
I can here Dr Matthews, the head psychiatrist, now.
Monday: Mr Jones is schizophrenic, with delusions
Tuesday: Mr Jones is bi-polar
Wednesday: Mr Jones is a Narcissist
Thursday: Mr Jones is MPD
Friday: Mr Jones is perfectly healthy and faking it all.
You'd be unemployed and facing fraud charges by Saturday.
jw
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You like Elaine, continually blame others for your inability to cope.
wrong as usual, weatherly!
You just proved my point AGAIN, Darth. You are utterly incapable of
accepting personal responsibility.
You ALWAYS shirk it off, blame others, deny deny deny.
Sure signs of extreme pathology.
jw
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Keep it up. And one day soon I'll own everything you used to own!
jw
Will that raise your IQ and improve your cognition
I don't need my IQ raised, Phar Lap.
But thanks for thinking about me,
demoniac.
jw
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Hmm...........I will keep that in mind the next time you make sexual
accusations against me.
I have never made any, madam, but if it makes you feel better to
falsely accuse me, go for it. It is you who will be forced to answer
for it.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall
speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
You, OTOH, HAVE made unav\ccaeptable and inappropriate sexual comments
TO and about me, such as the ridiculous 'lapdancing for Satan' trash.
However, since you are not permitted to even TRY to upset me, I will
continue to ignore your lies just as I ignore weatherly's false
bravado and idle threats of 'suing me' and/or 'having my site shut
down'.
What makes you think I make idle threats, Elaine? You have just had
WAY too many warnings, because I'm a nice guy and I believe in "going
the last mile," but to no avail.
I remind myself daily that you continue to endanger your patients and
other innocent people with your vitriole, and shutting your site
down-- while a goal-- is not on my front burner.
jw
May God bless you both. You're a wonderful pair.
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I also do not live to live by YOUR standards, whatever they may be.
Then the posts remain!
You never had any intent to remove my posts, Elaine,
other than by court order.
Yet you demand that vera remove YOUr posts, and you throw the tizzy of
the millennium when she doesn't.
You REMAIN a PATHETIC pathological liar,
and the world champion DRAMA QUEEN.
jw
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and I'll remove your trash.
ROTFL!
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 06:00:10 -0700,
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Anyway, to answer your question, John certainly has the right to his
POV. As for STATING said POV, though, he doesn't have the right to do
so in groups where it's entirely off-topic.
Thant AGAIN, is your POV. Which John evidently does not share.
No, that isn't Mike's point of view. Relevant topics are defined in
the charter for each newsgroup, which was achieved by consensus (and
voting).
Unfortunately John (and from this post, apparently you) have no
respect for the rights of others.
I doubt seriously if John is the ONLY off-topic poster in here.
And I have NOT posted any religious POVs. That is MY nod of respect to
your group's "charter", on which *I* did not vote.
Finally, as has been pointed out to you by several people (including
me), John's constant use of new aliases makes it impossible to
exclude posts from him.
It is certainly easy enough-- by reading the first sentence-- or the
first paragraph-- to determine that a post is off-topic and to stop
reading it.
No, THAT thought would not occur to you. YOU -- like the rest of the
Nazis in here -- must PURGE and CLEANSE of the group of any opposing
thought.
How INCESTUOUS.
It is a sadness that your intelligence doesn't permit you to
comprehend that.
My intelligence apparently exceeds your own. I know how to read a line
or two of a post, realize it's not to my liking, and move on.
You are dull enough to not know you disagree until you've read the
last word of a 25 page thesis.
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Must you CLEANSE the internet of all contrary thought?
That is hardly what Mike or anyone else has espoused.
That is EXACTLY what you espouse. Why deny it?
You are objecting PRECISELY to John coming in here with views which
YOU do not wish to read.
That is called INTOLERANCE and it is called "cleansing."
Both are RIGHT OUT OF THE 3rd Reich! And you should be ashamed.
As they say in TV land, "if you don't like what's on, grab the
remote!"
I have no
problem with John posting questions about computers to groups whose
charters permit that. There are plenty of other groups where he
can post material with religious content, where it can be read
by those whom it interests the most.
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ALL you have said, in a PLETHORA of worsd, is that you are intolerant
of posters who have thoughts contrary to your own..
Apparently the inherent contradiction in that statement hasn't yet
struck you. Shall we give you a decade or two?
I'm not sure we have enough time for you to get the irony there.
jw
Beverly
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Oh quit your prating, you sound like the fucking
Taliban/Al Qaeda!
Steve
Prating? Steve need[s] to improve your spelling.
Nothing like a little applied Karma...
Christians don't believe in "Karma". We believe in "sin."
IOW, "you reap what you sow."
jw
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:57:36 -0700, Bible John
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Oh quit your prating, you sound like the fucking Taliban/Al Qaeda!
Steve
Prating? Steve need to improve your spelling.
John
John, you mentioned haveing Walz's attention a bit earllier.
Is this what you call a "receptive" audience?
You have MUCH to learn, my friend.
I mentioned to you awhile back that you needed to conserve your
energies for those who are receptive.
That advice seems to have gone in one ear and out the other.
Perhaps I should stop giving advice.
?
jw
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Please join me in daily prayer for the victims of this
horrible London bomb terrorist attack that has killed
at least 40 and wounded many others.
Nothing like exploiting that tragedy to forward your own
agenda, eh?
Your comment forwards yours, does it not?
Pay no attention to that whooshing sound...
You WERE referring to your bleeting, weren't you?
Apparently, you have problems with reading comprehension. Why am I not
surprised...?
And YOU have serious tolerance issues, don't you? Why am I not
surprised?
jw
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:36:18 -0700, Bible John
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Good luck with that John.
It would be my advice for you to make note of those who are posting
hateful messages to you and killfile them.
Bear in mind that many who you consider "hateful" are people in groups
you are cross-posting to. Like handhelfpc and alt.atheism.
Perhaps you are beginning to see the value of my advice awhile back to
not go where you aren't wanted.
God bless.
jw
yes, stupid!
Well, *I* don't want YOU in HERE, stupid!
So why are you still in here?
And did that last comment from you glorify Christ in ANY way?
Or do you just claim to be a Christian when it's convenient or funny?
jw
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:46:03 -0700, Bible John
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Guess what? You don't own Usenet.
Deal.
Thats it your know on my killfilter. Jason kill-filed many and I need
to stop reading in google and start in my newsclient.
John, you keep saying it, suppose you do it?
And it might be MUCH easier if you'd download Forte Agent.
www.forteinc.com
It's not expensive, and it's the best reader around.
jw
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the christians want to talk on an atheist newsgroup?
Get back to me when you spot the stupidity of that comment
Stop invading free.christians and I would not have posted.
This from the guy who routinely "invades" other groups.
I've just pointed that out to him myself, Dave.
As I've said, I'm on your side on this one.
However, I think you may begin to see-- if you hvae any native
intelligence-- that John is not responsive to your just criticism.
I therfore suggest you do the adult thing-- suck it up and kilfile
him. Your attempt to "cleanse the group" of his sort is reminiscent
of Nazi Germany.
A little "tolerance" perhaps?
jw
There's
nothing more worth despising than hypocrisy in an alleged "Christian."
ISTM that the only reason we saw a response from kathryn in the first
place was because *you* cross-posted into a group that she reads, and
all she did was reply. Now, that's not too difficult a concept for you
to grasp, is it?
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:45:14 -0700, Bible John
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the christians want to talk on an atheist newsgroup?
Get back to me when you spot the stupidity of that comment
Stop invading free.christians and I would not have posted.
That's kind of hypocritical, brother John.
Look at the newsgroups list, and observe all the groups YOU have
"invaded".
Are we to NOT "practice as we preach?"
jw
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But we have the attention of Tommy, Roger, Walz, Mike and
Bev in those boards and I know they read the bible messages.
First, you *don't* know that. Second, with such a pathetic example of
Christianity as you represent, what makes you think it will make any
difference if they see the "bible messages?" After all, with you and
jw as shining examples of what Christianity has to offer and what
Christianity really means to its adherents, there's not too much
attractive about the whole thing.
Realize, Dave, that you speak for one person, whether you believe you
actually represent every breathing body on the planet or not.
You have now had your say.
John is entitled to the same, as am I.
And if you don't like what I post, for the 10,000th time I have said
this in the BAPTIST GROUP, you are invited to not read my posts.
My preaching HAS led people to Christ, and I have no doubt that there
are timid souls out there / and in here / who appreciate me, whether
they say so or they do not.
In fact, I periodically get e-mails from my supporters-- who shall
remain nameless -- who thank me for my witness, but whose faith is not
strong enough to stand up to the critics.
And I am strong enough, so that your taunts and barbs fall impotently
to the dust.
Be a man/woman, suck it up, and MYOB.
I am doing as I feel led by God; are you living up to YOUR end of YOUR
earthly obligation to leave this place better than you found it?
So far, not.
jw
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:43:18 -0700, Bible John
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One can hope. My views are if anything even MORE conservative than
John's in the Christian theology/doctrine area, but as I've noted to
you in the atheism and handheldpc areas previously, I have absolutely
NO sympathy for John when he posts where he is not wanted, and I've
told him as much.
But we have the attention of Tommy, Roger, Walz, Mike and Bev in those
boards and I know they read the bible messages.
John, the feedback I've seen from Tommy and Bev (I don't remember
seeing any from Roger, Walz, or Mike) has NOT been positive.
Jesus said that if your message was not received, you were to leave
that town, kick the dust off your sandals, and be on your way.
You are DELIBERATELY disobeying that command, making you borderline
apostate, and AGAIN, walking in the flesh and not the spirit,
suffering an ACUTE attack of self-righteous PRIDE (AGAIN my opinion).
I suggest that you collect your small band of those whom you consider
your supporters from the groups you are currently spamming, and offer
to correspond with them via e-mail.
In the interim, you merely give yourself / and your Lord -- a black
eye.
If you want to compare your activities to mine-- even momentarily - I
have gone outside the baptist group (the one closest to my overall
POV) several times. I tried the SDA group, was asked to leave by
pracatically everyone; I tried the catholic group, same response.
So I am now in the Baptist group, where I take a LOT of heat, but at
LEAST I am in a group where the majority are SUPPOSEDLY of like mind
and spirit.
That, then, becomes a matter of conscience.
"I have done the best I can to seek like m inds without allowing the
evil ones to drive me completely out."
I refuse to allow Satan to take over the group completely.
jw
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I will point out to you folks AGAIN, however, that my pointing out the
folly of that activity (in my view) in NO way means I can promise that
he will see the wisdom of my advice.
I therefore recommend to you that you simply killfile him or don't
read his posts, and I recommend he do the same.
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 10:11:01 -0500,
follow up set to trolls midden heap, no sense giving it a captive audience.
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:46:49 -0500,
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
Where is here, you dumped your load to the following groups.
free.christians,microsoft.public.handheldpc,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.christnet.public,alt.parenting.solutions
No less than three have nothing to do with your pettifoggery.
And YOU, crawls, are continually dumping YOUR load in the baptist group,
which has nothing to do with YOUR pettifoggery or your silliness.
Who is this crawls person you are so enamoured with,
If you can butcher MY name and MY reputation, I can return it to you
10-fold, demoniac.
jw
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And I continue to wonder why you type 10 pages of text; I simply
delete it.
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I am a professional, trained journalist, and professional, trained,
published writer, and theologian.
If you want the best, hire me.
God bless
jw
You may think you are funny; you aren't.
I also note that you are posting anonymously, which I don't do.
You are also being very reduntant, which I don't do.
jw
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I keep asking you to observe the Golden Rule and be nice, Larry. You
keep rejecting the Golden Rule and DEMANDING that I be nice FIRST.
My Bible doesn't have THAT rule in it, Larry.
So you got THAT one from Satan.
Yet who was it who said "Until you talk nicely to ME, then I will
continue to talk to you like the demonic asshole that you are"?
It was not Larry who said that, weatherly, but you.
AGAIN, darling. I am mentally ill. YOu have ALL made a MILLION
comments about that.
But YOU claim to be pefectly HEALTHy!!
So what is YOUR excuse for YOUR monstrous behavior?
And do you TRULY think Jesus is pleased with your behavior and
attitude in here these days?
I don't.
And I don't think you give that issue a nano-second's thought anymore,
Darth Elaine.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Subtlety is lost on me.
just like intelligence ------- you must be ALLERGIC TO IT.
It's so nice to see you continuing to strive to honor Christ with ever
post!
PTL!!
I DO know that you continue to follow the advice you gave a year or so
"Pray before you click on SEND."
jw
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| I like "if you think I'm a SOB, tell me straight."
SOB!
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| I am not responsible for Larry's inability to communicate.
Now why would anybody expect you to take responsibility
for someone else; you can't do it for yourself!!!!
Nor can you.
You like Elaine, continually blame others for your inability to cope.
Look inside for your problems and their solutions.
jw
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| I like "if you think I'm a SOB, tell me straight."
SOB!
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| I am not responsible for Larry's inability to communicate.
Now why would anybody expect you to take responsibility
for someone else; you can't do it for yourself!!!!
By the way, dearest!
I am not your worst enemy!
You are!
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I am not sure if this matter is closed for me.
Who cares?
Me.
Well you have your reasons huh Vera?
How can you claim to love Jesus and be such a hater, SL?
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You just better hope that Jim doesn't come back at you with slander
charges in regards to your comment right above. Oh you better watch
out for his mom also. Not nice to call someone you don't even know a
name.
I still think that is PRECISELY what weatherly needs........ a taste
of his own flotsam.
He's threatened so many people in here, it;'s utterly ridiculous. It's
high time the tables were turned on that individual.
I know ----- you won't agree---- but really, he HAS to be taught a
lesson. People like him only learn such lessons one way-- THE HARD
WAY.
God bless you, Larry........
Actually neither you or John are even capable of learning a lesson.
Speak for yourself, SL. I have learned a LOT about you in the past
year.
One thing I've learned is that you are as hateful and as petty and as
psychotic as Elaine.
You are quite two sides of one coin!
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Now kindly explain, coward, why you felt COMPELLED to violate my
copyright?
So, liar John, when are -you- going to explain "why you felt COMPELLED" to steal
a news story written by someone else and call it your own?
To call a news story written by someone else "my own" would be to
leave their name off and put mine on as "writer", or "written by."
I left the writer's name ON his piece, and INSTEAD, put mine atop WITH
AN EXPLANATION as the "editor."
Try again, you pathological liar.
Changing your story now, liar John? In your own words below you call
it "my own." I ask again: So, liar John, when are -you- going to
explain "why you felt COMPELLED" to steal a news story written by
someone else and call it your own?
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And since I have taken the liberty of re-writing the story,
"Americanizing it", and fixing some typos, I now can call it my own
legally speaking, and I am hereby posting it to the group for your
amusement and enlightenment.
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And you CONTINUE to lie.
You do as much creative editing as Elaine.
Where's the whole story, or would reposting the entire story AS I
POSTED it have proven that you are the
pathological liar
I have proved that you are.
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But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch
:)
Jani
even MORE entertaining, Jani, when weatherly gets the EDUCATION he
needs.
No plagiaryor copyright violation was committed, for sure.
And let's face it---- if weatherly imagines his writing is so
wonderful, you'd think he'd be pleased someone posted the thing here
in its entirety!
Doc :o)
Quite seriously, though - I have a few friends who are professional writers,
and they are *extremely* careful about what they publish on the Net, and
what is kept separate for print publication.
You CONTINUE to miss the greater issue, which is one of CONTROL.
I as an author should have the final say as to where my work appears,
and in what form.
Phar Lap, -- and YOU -- have now shown utterly NO regards for my
intellectual rights, regardless of what you think of my writing
ability.
In its current state, that story now will reflect POORLY on my writing
talents.
I have EVERY intent to rewrite it, as vera and I had previously agreed
would be the process.
But if Phar Lap and others (like you) are going to show NO regard for
my legal rights, I don't DARE put up anything that is close to
publishable for fear of being ripped off by people I can't find (Phar
Lap), who REMAINS one of the biggest ANONYMOUS COWaRDS on the
internet.
If one simply wants to reach a
wide audience, then the Web and the Net are ideal. If the ultimate aim is to
be *paid* for reaching an audience, then it isn't.
As a non-author, there certainly are things about writing and
publishing that you do not understand.
And I see no reason to enlighten you.
And there is absolutely
no point putting a piece on the Web, where everyone can access it for
nothing, and then expecting a publisher to accept that piece as a viable
marketing concern.
Perhaps you should say, you don't see the point. There ARE reasons
for doing so.
But AGAIN, since you have expressed absolutely NO sympathy, I see no
reason to enlighten you.
As I said, it's very unlikely John could prove any economic disadvantage
from Phar Lap posting his story to the ngs,
In YOUR opinion.
since he'd already put it on a
free access site.
And all you are doing is endorsing thievery.
By doing that, he'd pretty much lost any chance of a print
publisher taking it (unless it was small-press or vanity press, which again,
doesn't make much money for the author).
AGAIN, yuo talk a great deal about things of which you know NOTHING.
I suggset that before you make yourself sound even more foolish, you
shut up.
I note with ironic amusement that you spout endlessly, yet you don't
ask me what my issues are. You TELL me what my issues are, making you
nothing more than another opinionated ignoramus.
jw
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
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I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
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But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
Work which
you had already made available on a free-access site.
That is irrelevant. Virtually any site you can access the first 5 -
10 pages of is a "free-access site". That does NOT mean you can take
the contents and do with them what you will, UNLESS that is CLEARLY
stated in the copyright which is PROMINENTLY displayed on the page..
The only way around that copyright law is if there is NO copyright
displayed on the page.
You may THINK you know copyright law. You do not.
As a published, degreed author for MANY years, I have kept a CLOSE ear
to copyright law-- even as it applies to publications published on the
web.
He didn't plagiarise
it,
You are incorrect.
he didn't violate your authorial copyright on it,
Yes, in fact, he did. He did not have my permission to post it.
PERIOD.
it would be *very*
difficult to show that you suffered any financial disadvantage from his
posting since you, yourself, had already made it available on a freely
accessible website advertised here every day - what on earth are you going
to sue him FOR?
I guess you will be one who will have to wait and see.
There are reasons we have the opportunity copyright our work. One of
the reasons is to CONTROL where it appears, and in what form.
Phar Lap CLEARLY and with malice aforehand VIOLATED my rights to
control where my property appears, and in what form.
In fact, I had already told vera after I sent her the story that I was
going to send her a re-write to post, since I wasn't entirely happy
with how the story came out.
Phar Lap's FLAGRANT violation of my copyright makes a reposting of an
update UNTHINKABLE.
He also has sent me a non-too-subltle threat that I can COUNT on him
to violate my coypright and to repost elsewhere ANYTHING ELSE I post
there.
As for the monetary value, I have made more $$$ from my writing over a
3-year period than YOU have likely earned in your entire life.
At any rate, I thank you AGAIN, for your consideration, and for your
being so respectful of copyright law.
You are just another criminal.
jw
Jani
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Some no good son of a bitch demoniac has cancelled another
one of my accounts.
When I find out WHO it was their ass will be incarcerated
after they answer to a judge and jury.
Demoniac.
God bless
jw
Did you ever stop to think, it might be you? Did you stop to
think it might be the way you acted or treated someone?
think about it.
I don't think liar johnny can lose enough accounts. Now he's
posting under his old name of john_seeks. It was
ujb
I thought I seen that name before. That is one of the reasons I
answered. Another one, I did think it was him.
It is an ANCIENT account name, the hotmail account. And if you
two geniuses had looked just a LITTLE more closely, he didn't use
Which means you are two of those geniuses who see what you want to
see, not what is there.
The made up account he used was
Good grief!
You two need lives!
Larry, you continue to disappoint as you join those who daily
crucify me.
Running low on nails, are you, Larry?
Jesus must be so proud of you right now!
jw
John,
Get off you high horse.
What's the bit about you looking so closely to see if it's really
me?
Concentrate on what's being said, not if it's me or a fake.
SHEEEEEEEESH!!
You are not that mighty.
NOW YOU are a liar, by your own accounting, Larry, since you have
now claimed that I claimed to be mighty.
I have made no such claim.
Like I said, I
remembered the name john seeks.
Got it.
From your digging into my background! You should be SO proud of
that! Gutter rat!
I am sorry for thinking it was you.
Save it. I don't believe your sincerity anymore.
No one who's as buddy buddy with Elaien as you are these days is
sincere.
I now consider you every bit as phony as SHE obviously is.
You have become an Elaine's butt kisser, and you have yet to repent
for falsely accusing me of lying.
Plus you have falsely accused me REPEATEDLY in the past year, more
than a few times calling me a liar.
So I no longer list you on my short list of people I trust.
But what I said to him, applies to you also John.
Suit yourself.
jw
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John,
I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with you,
you are just not worth the time or effort.
Thanks, Larry!
God bless you, too!
Elaine's butt kisser!
You may think me worthless! God loves me!
jw
Of course God loves you, John.
Thanks again for your on-going encouragement, vera.
I'm sending you a note. Watch for it.
jw
~ vera ~
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Some no good son of a bitch demoniac has cancelled another
one of my accounts.
When I find out WHO it was their ass will be incarcerated
after they answer to a judge and jury.
Demoniac.
God bless
jw
Did you ever stop to think, it might be you? Did you stop to
think it might be the way you acted or treated someone?
think about it.
I don't think liar johnny can lose enough accounts. Now he's
posting under his old name of john_seeks. It was
ujb
I thought I seen that name before. That is one of the reasons I
answered. Another one, I did think it was him.
It is an ANCIENT account name, the hotmail account. And if you
two geniuses had looked just a LITTLE more closely, he didn't use
Which means you are two of those geniuses who see what you want to
see, not what is there.
The made up account he used was
Good grief!
You two need lives!
Larry, you continue to disappoint as you join those who daily
crucify me.
Running low on nails, are you, Larry?
Jesus must be so proud of you right now!
jw
John,
Get off you high horse.
What's the bit about you looking so closely to see if it's really
me?
Concentrate on what's being said, not if it's me or a fake.
SHEEEEEEEESH!!
You are not that mighty.
NOW YOU are a liar, by your own accounting, Larry, since you have
now claimed that I claimed to be mighty.
I have made no such claim.
Like I said, I
remembered the name john seeks.
Got it.
From your digging into my background! You should be SO proud of
that! Gutter rat!
I am sorry for thinking it was you.
Save it. I don't believe your sincerity anymore.
No one who's as buddy buddy with Elaien as you are these days is
sincere.
I now consider you every bit as phony as SHE obviously is.
You have become an Elaine's butt kisser, and you have yet to repent
for falsely accusing me of lying.
Plus you have falsely accused me REPEATEDLY in the past year, more
than a few times calling me a liar.
So I no longer list you on my short list of people I trust.
But what I said to him, applies to you also John.
Suit yourself.
jw
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John,
I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with you,
you are just not worth the time or effort.
Thanks, Larry!
God bless you, too!
Elaine's butt kisser!
You may think me worthless! God loves me!
jw
Of course God loves you, John.
Thanks again for your on-going encouragement, vera.
I'm sending you a note. Watch for it.
jw
~ vera ~
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
You certainly have the right to your POV. Does John have the right to
HIS?
Oh, I can show you any number of posts by John where he makes it clear
that he feels others do NOT have the right to express their points of
view, where he's flat out said that anyone who disagrees with what he
posts should ignore him rather than respond stating their POV.
Anyway, to answer your question, John certainly has the right to his
POV. As for STATING said POV, though, he doesn't have the right to do
so in groups where it's entirely off-topic.
Thant AGAIN, is your POV. Which John evidently does not share.
And you can continue to waste time, energy, and blood pressure meds
fuming over his "off-topic" posts, or you can take the low-key
approach and simply not read his posts.
Must you CLEANSE the internet of all contrary thought?
Come now!
This is not the 1940's, and we are not living under the 3rd Reich.
John is free to express his POV, and you are free to not read his
posts.
ALL you have said, in a PLETHORA of worsd, is that you are intolerant
of posters who have thoughts contrary to your own..
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
See jw, you are stupid.
In fact, I am not. My views-- however contrary to yours-- are NOT
a reflection of my native intelligence, your bullying to the contrary.
If I told you how smart I am, in fact, you likely would not believe
me.
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary theory big
enough to drive Mack trucks through with room to spare.
I couldn't give a rat's ass about your
background; it's your intelligence (or lack of) as exhibited by your
posts I'm concerned about.
I could not care less about your opinion, either.'
If you beileve in evolution, it has NOTHING to do with native
intelligence and EVERYthing to do with world view.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
You were a gofer for various companies. Good for you!
I thought I made it clear, moron, that I was a documentation
specialist.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
So do most brilliant scientists drink bold or mild coffee?
Hehehe.
Congratulations. Now I know one person who chuckled.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
Idiot, you don't even know what sarcasm is.
Idiot. What color is the sky on your home planet?
And since I have now given yuo all this time to indicate some sign of
intelligent life, and all you can muster are junior high school- level
putdowns that are equivalent to "let's compare sizes", I leave you.
jw
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( microsoft and parenting groups removed )
Please join me in daily prayer for the victims of this
horrible London bomb terrorist attack that has killed
at least 40 and wounded many others.
Nothing like exploiting that tragedy to forward your own
agenda, eh?
Your comment forwards yours, does it not?
Pay no attention to that whooshing sound...
You WERE referring to your bleeting, weren't you?
jw
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:46:49 -0500,
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
Where is here, you dumped your load to the following groups.
free.christians,microsoft.public.handheldpc,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.christnet.public,alt.parenting.solutions
No less than three have nothing to do with your pettifoggery.
And YOU, crawls, are continually dumping YOUR load in the baptist
group, which has nothing to do with YOUR pettifoggery or your
silliness.
Do you now claim that you are the only one who is allowed to post your
crap whre it's not wanted?
"what goes around..."
jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
You are not worth the effort.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
Apparently these xian boards include three that are not xian, & one that could care less. So, get back to me when you figure out what gave you the authority to speak for anyojne else besides your petty mean spirited self.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Please learn how to use your news reader & accept responsibility for your own conduct.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
John
That is babbling bible john, not jake?
walksalone who is not surprised that babbling bible john, not jake, is unhappy with the mess it created. His ilk rarely are.
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Just so that you know, I tell you, your message was posted to the
free.christians, microsoft.public.handheldpc, alt.atheism,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.christnet.public,
alt.parenting.solutions
Actually why do you crosspost at all if you already know that you will
not be welcomed by some of these?
I specially do not comprehend is your reason for posting to
microsoft.public.handheldpc ???????????????????????????????????????
What has Bill Gates got to do with theology? Is your church now running
on Windows platform?
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
Yes, an enlightened and gifted man, G Bernard Shaw.
jw
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Sorry for posting this to the non christian boards, my mistake.
Oh, okay. But how about all the many other Christian posts you've been
making to the non-Christian boards? Does this mean you've put an end to
that?
One can hope. My views are if anything even MORE conservative than
John's in the Christian theology/doctrine area, but as I've noted to
you in the atheism and handheldpc areas previously, I have absolutely
NO sympathy for John when he posts where he is not wanted, and I've
told him as much.
I will point out to you folks AGAIN, however, that my pointing out the
folly of that activity (in my view) in NO way means I can promise that
he will see the wisdom of my advice.
I therefore recommend to you that you simply killfile him or don't
read his posts, and I recommend he do the same.
jw
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:36:18 -0700, Bible John
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Good luck with that John.
It would be my advice for you to make note of those who are posting
hateful messages to you and killfile them.
Bear in mind that many who you consider "hateful" are people in groups
you are cross-posting to. Like handhelfpc and alt.atheism.
Perhaps you are beginning to see the value of my advice awhile back to
not go where you aren't wanted.
God bless.
jw
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Apologies to the Group: I Plagiarized scripture without intending To
I at first thought that my "title" would add sufficiently to the text.
On 2nd thought (and after a dozen of you commented), I decided you all
were right.
I apologize (if you think that is necessary), and I believe I have
come up with a satisfactory solution.
Now, if Jim Agar will apologize for plagiarizing ME,
And if the other criminal who reposted my entire short story violating
my copyright will come forth and apologize, and STOP!!
At least I have rectified my mistake.
jw
Accepted and forgotten
And YOU are reminded, Larry, that YOU are one who has FREQUENTLY
falsely accused me of refusing to ever admit I'm wrong.
Show me where I ever said that John. Show the post in here.
Here we go again. You now choose to deny that you have FREQUENTLY
called me a liar.
You refuse to even repent when you are called on it.
You have gone over to the enemy.
You are killfiled.
jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That wasn't true, Larry. But if I were to assume YOUR POV, I'd have to
call you a "liar" over that one.
And I am not calling you a liar. I am pointing out to you that those
accusations are both uncalled for, and WRONG, and you should
apologize.
But I bet you won't.
Prove me wrong.
See above
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jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 06:52:31 GMT, "Terrell D Lewis"
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:39:44 -0500,
used
it for a pretext to demand from others what it did not intend to get
caught at.
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Apologies to the Group: I Plagiarized scripture without intending To
Get caught, but we already knew that.
Unlike you, demon, I do apologize when a mistake I've made is brought
to my attention.
jw
The scriptures do not tell us to forgive when someone apologizes, but to
forgive when someone repents (changes their behavior) ...
My mistakenly posting the scripture under my "copyright" indicated a
mistake in judgement, NOT "misbehavior."
Since it was not intentional, I did nothing wrong.
All the ugly remarks I got from people in here ARE something they all
need to apologize for.
But knowing the majority of those who dump on me daily, I won't hold
my breath.
you're biggest
mistake is logging
You used the wrong form.
The "you're" you have used is a contraction of the term
"you are".
The CORRECT phrase would be
"your"
on to your computer, why don't you repent of that?
Is the guy with the gun at your head still forcing you to read my
posts?
If he is, let me know, and I'll dial 9-1-1.
Last I heard, it's still a free country, and there is even freedom of
speech on usenet.
I am free to speak my mind, and you are free to remain a jerk.
jw
As you are being a jerk when you presume that I or anyone else cares about
"your" or "you're" in a USENET post,
Well, my point that you missed was, if you are goingn to talk about
things that don't interest ME in the least (like your POV), I'll bore
you to tears with English grammar, which OBVIOUSLY bores you, but
which I find fascinating.
Everybody needs a hobby, I suppose.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
FYI, I don't even bother with spell
checkers ...
You're KIDDING!
R E A L L Y ???
but when you start worrying about spelling and grammer, it's an
open admission that you've run out of intelligent things to say ...
That's the illiterate view of those who don't know spelling and
grammar.
(BTW, I have had published in various magazines, poems, crossword puzzles,
short stories, and cartoons, in the past, I know a bit about grammer, but
this is USENET, so, not the place.
And precisely where is that law recorded?
I haven't seen it, but I HAVE seen a lot of the illiterate comment
that this is the one place they can be themselves.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That's like not enjoying good art (the Mona Lisa, the Last Supper, the
David) because you've never studied it or seen it.
And, yes, I've seen all 3.
Never had the pleasure of seeming them in RL,
To be friendly for a brief moment, they are AWESOME. I saw the David
before it was attacked by a madman with a hammer. I saw the Mona Lisa
and the LAst Supper, all 3 while in Europe in the "forces".
I wondered why the lines moved so slowly. It took LITERALLY HOURS of
waiting in long lines to get in.
But once I saw those magnificent MASTERPIECES, I understood the word
"masterpiece"; it's a piece done by one of the MASTERS.
And I understood why the lines were so slow. Seeing one of the
masterpieces becomes a religious experience, and one you had come
eye-ball to eye-ball with the David-- the most perfect piece of
sculpture on the planet-- you didn't want to leave its presence.
You stand in awe of ABSOLUTE PERFECTION.
According to the experts, there is no more perfect painting on the
planet than the Mona Lisa. When you see it, from 30 feet away, you
understand.
but I have sold a couple
cartoons and some paintings I've done, but I enjoy working with pen and ink
the most.
Good luck with your art. I have made almost a $ million from mine.
That and salesmanship.
But at my peak, I was one of the higset paid writers in the business.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Don't assume because everyone YOU know is illiterate, that that is ok.
It's not.
oops ...
wait ... my bad ... I forgot who I was talking to ... you've never had
anything intelligent to say.
In which case you have YET to explain why you've become my mascot!
I don't like bullies.
I may be abrasive; I may be confrontive; I am not a bully.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Every time I look over my shoulder, you're gnawing on my shoe!
I don't like bullies.
Then stop reading my posts.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Actually I've had you killfiled more than once, but I had to reformat
twice
in the last month and haven't gotten around to it again ...
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
Before I got my copy of XP, I had to reformat about twice a month.
That can be a hassle!
Actually I run XP, a router, antivirus, anti-spyware, popup blocker and a
"windows - washer," the first time a file got corrupted and instead of just
reinstalling XP, I figured that I'd reformat and not put on a long list of
software I haven't used in awhile, then, I was less than careful with the
configurations in Window Washer" and it erased my destop settings giving me
a black on black desktop, so I reformated so I could see, and decided I
really needed even less software - just what was necessary to look stuff up,
read email and this group, make midis, and work on my web site -- by the
way, I have changed my website and blog, on the website, I have, at this
time, only midis (although I have spent the last couple days working on a
new composition for Classical guitar and may put the sheet music for my own
compositions back on) and am using the blog to announce new midis and review
music software, books, and DVDs, but, anyway, all is fine now, I'll get
around to killfiling here soon, but I have had my grand daughter to look
after full-time the last two days (only half a day today) and my wife has
started a 4- day weekend -- being an activities director at a children's
home, she had to work all last weekend, so gets double days off this
weekend.
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really should
though, cuts the posts down at least half, it seems, and I may not agree
with everyone else here, but at least, pretty much, everyone else isn't so
disagreeable.
Well, I am sorry for my behavior disorder!
If you were "really sorry" you'd at least consider saving your posts as
drafts while you take a breather and go back and check them out later before
sending.
You don't get it. I am not aware of my "bad behavior" when I am doing
it. Picture someone who is tone deaf who still wants to play the
trumpet in the orchestra. The orchestra gives him permission, but
tells him to "play quietly" so they can drown him out.
Nevertheless he still gets excited and plays more loudly than he
should, and since he is tone deaf, he still can't hear the sour notes.
The ONLY way he knows he's hitting wrong notes is all the frowns he
gets.
The SOLUTION is that if you don't like my posts, don't read them.
If you are going to read them, don't complain about the content.
You may as well tell someone with CP to "stop twitching!"
In the meantime, the solution is simple.
I shall killfile YOU.
EVERYONE has some sort of behavior disorder, just like EVERYBODY
comes from a disfunctional family, the "sin" is not in the "temptation" but
in the giving in to it.
You neither understand nor care to. If you DID understand, you could
EASILY look up bi-polar disorder on the web.
You would rather remain ignorant, assume lots of things wreongly like
the closed-minded, narrow-minded bigot you are (honesty),and throw
rocks at every opportunity,
merely because I'm not as perfect as you believe you are.
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But you know about it by now, so if you keep coming in here and
reading my posts, you are indeed a masochist, and that's not something
*I* can fix.
And I remain unable to put up with the likes of you without giving you
a piece of my mind.
Tact and diplomacy are two 'behavior methods" of which I know little.
Obviously.
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I make up for it with brutal truth.
No, you make up for it with bullying.
I prefer my word. It is honest. Your words are a judgement call from a
narrow-minded, closed-minded, bigot who thinks all fundamentalist
Christtians need a lobotomy.
You are killfiled.
jw
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John,
Calm down, but just in case you can't, perhaps you better then give me
the number for 911.
JohnH
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jw
And I have given you yet ANOTHER opportunity to do the Christian thing
and to blame those who DELIBERATLY plagiarize.
You have yet to prove your case.
But you won't do that.
I can't do that until you prove your case.
You're too busy trying to play mind games with me.
Actually, it doesn't keep me too busy, at all.
Only one person I know things you're "cutesy", John.
What? Only one who "things" that? I'd a thought there'd be at least
two.
And I just checked with him, and he dosen't find you "cutesy" either.
He "dosen't"?
I'm hurting, John, but you don't bother to soothe me.
John, don't toy with my emotions. You know how I get.
When did you stop pretending to be a Christian?
When I realized surrendering was better.
You just plant your #10 where everyone else plants theirs!
Some people only understand "tough-love."
Well, mine's a #13, John.
There you go again, comparing mine to yours. (Uh, what are we talking
about here? Never mind, I don't even want to know.)
I thought it was obvious, John H. Get your mind out of the gutter.
Considering that I had to ask, why did your mind conjure up that
proverbial gutter, hmmm?
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When someone threatens to kick your ass, one way of saying it is that
they're going to shove their #10 or #11 up your butt.
I see. So since you're the one who brought shoe-size into this
conversation, then you are admitting to having communicated a threat
here. John, would you mind sharing the number of the FBI with me now?
By all means, John, if you think that's your best course of action.
Call the FBI and be laughed at.
They're busy chasing terrorists and keeping America safe, and you're
going to point to a metaphor as a threat!
John!
you are too big a waste of time and air!
I am trying in my own feeble way, to help people into the kingdom, or
to answer their qusetions from the Bible.
Your favorite sport seems to be kick the handicapped.
you are killfiled.
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John,
Calm down, but just in case you can't, perhaps you better then give me
the number for 911.
JohnH
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jw
And I have given you yet ANOTHER opportunity to do the Christian thing
and to blame those who DELIBERATLY plagiarize.
You have yet to prove your case.
Ah hem. I don't remember ever saying I have anything to prove to you,
John.
Ahem, ahem. But you want me to blame Jim for something as yet
unproven? That's not the way we do things in America, John.
If you were up to doing anything constructive OTHER than blaming me
for World War I and every other evil thing you could think of, you
could have looked at the bottom of his post and seen two of my haikus
typed in paragraph form.
jw
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And yet again you refuse to show a Christian example.
Perhaps were you to give better examples for me to follow?
But I'm the mentally ill, malcontent, am I not?
What's YOUR excuse for REFUSING to set an example?
And you ARE REFUSING to set an example.
For every new "depth" you accuse me of sinking to, you crawl lower in
pointing it out.
To what end?
AGAIN, John H, you have LONG since given up any pretence to being a
Christian as you CONTINUE to seek new "low blows."
This is not a pissing contest, John.
I TRIED to do something for Christ, by posting a scripture passage
that has had meaning for me.
But you don't like me, so you IGNORED that I had tried to do something
positive, and you have been throwing rocks ever since.
Grow up! Take your eyes off me MY faults, John H! Set your eyes back
on Christ, if that is possible for you to do.
You really don't have to look for a "new way to put me in my place."
That is TRULY NOT what this is about; yet if that IS what this is
about for YOU, then I qusetion your basic Christianity.
You CONTINUE to seek ONLY to win a verbal sparring match with a
mentally ill person.
Shame on you!
I had somehow given you more credit than that!
jw
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I have worked in a variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period
as a documentation person, and I LOT of the scientists I worked with--
the best in the field-- were Christians who were commited to
Creationism.
The FACTS of science do not "prove" either creation or evolution. The
FACTS merely state what the world is made of.
Evolution wants us to believe that we can take the finest 17 Jewel
Swiss watch, tear it apart carefully til no two pieces are attached,
put it in a bag, shake it for a million years, open the bag, and we'll
have a reassembled, properly tuned 17 Jewel Swiss watch.
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
And you quite apparently did not learn much!
Another "genius" burps.
jw
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for a person claiming to "have worked in a
variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period"! Why do
creationists continually embarrass themselves
And I didn't embarrass myself. Not a little.
jw
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And by the way-- to address your final ridiculoud point however
briefly.
Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
And if you weren't there-- whether 6 thousand or 6 million or 6
billion years ago when this universe came into being,
yuo have no right to tell me how it happened.
Now THAT IS dumb!
"I wasn't there, but I KNOW what happened!"
Any judge would laugh you out of court!
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Please join me in daily prayer for the victims of this horrible
London bomb terrorist attack that has killed at least 40 and
wounded many others.
Nothing like exploiting that tragedy to forward your own agenda, eh?
Your comment forwards yours, does it not?
jw
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:20:31 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC), "Royal Master"
Do not read the story to avoid dissapointments
Sad that you are so small-minded that you'd assume every else
would have the same negative reaction to my story you did;
that is, if you read it.
jw
Do not care about this troll, John. Who cares about his opinion?
He simply wants to malign the website. He likes to supports
"Christian gays" who say "The Lord is my shepherd and he knows I
am gay" - just imagine.
Love to you, brother in Christ,
~ vera ~
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~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
I have a question for you. Would you post something on your that
claims it is their copyright when it is not?
Not if I knew, Larry. Why? Is there such a thing? I would take it
down at once.
~ vera ~
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~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
Yes Vera, the new site that you posted about John is not his
copyright. The title may be, and his name. But that is all. The
verses that he posted he did not write. Those came from another
author.
Which author, Larry?
I see that it is no longer there though. So that solves the problem
and answers my question.
Yes, I will take it back until this is proved. I cannot find anything
about this story in the internet, so maybe someone might help.
Maybe you wrte me a private e-mail in such a case next time?
Nah! Larry MUCH prefers PUBLIC embarrassment to handling things in a
Christian manner with a private email.
Why do things privately when one can make a fuss PUBLICLY?
Larry, you continue to live beneath my low expectations!
Where went the "peacemaker" you were when you joined the group?
Yes, Larry, that's what you were when I first came to ARCB.
Nothing left of it?
Thanks be to God!
I thought he had you fooled just briefly, Vera!
This place truly is a den of thieves, liars, and murderers.
But we will bless it for Christ, even if we are but a handful.
God bless!
jw
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You decided you preferred to capitulate rather than to be beaten up
for the faith?
jw
Larry
~ vera ~
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~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:53:58 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:49:27 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:20:31 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:55:28 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC), "Royal Master"
Do not read the story to avoid dissapointments
Sad that you are so small-minded that you'd assume every else
would have the same negative reaction to my story you did;
that is, if you read it.
jw
Do not care about this troll, John. Who cares about his opinion?
He simply wants to malign the website. He likes to supports
"Christian gays" who say "The Lord is my shepherd and he knows
I am gay" - just imagine.
Love to you, brother in Christ,
~ vera ~
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~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
I have a question for you. Would you post something on your that
claims it is their copyright when it is not?
Not if I knew, Larry. Why? Is there such a thing? I would take it
down at once.
~ vera ~
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~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
Yes Vera, the new site that you posted about John is not his
copyright. The title may be, and his name. But that is all. The
verses that he posted he did not write. Those came from another
author.
Which author, Larry?
The author of 2 Kings Vera. When John claimed it as his copyright,
he was claiming the whole page. And he did not write 2 Kings. But
the problem is solved, John has apologized, matter is closed.
Oh, I see - you decide when matters are closed? You start them, and
you close them. Fine.
Yes I do decide when matters are closed as far as I am concerned.
That is so good - that is the same what I do if someone else does not ask
me for my opinion about it to close a matter together. That would be the
Christian way, but you may not have heard of it yet.
EOD
Good thing because you are making a jackass out of yourself Vera.
She learned all she knows on the subject from you, SL.
You just DESPISE us born again Christians, don't you?
God bless!
jw
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:53:58 +0200, "~ vera ~"
Yes I do decide when matters are closed as far as I am concerned.
That is so good - that is the same what I do if someone else does not
ask me for my opinion about it to close a matter together. That would be
the Christian way, but you may not have heard of it yet.
I can't help note how fast you are to anger when you don't get your way.
My but that's fun to watch! I can just see you stomping your foot in
frustration :)
ujibwa
Note, the adult Jim, ever making positive comments, ever trying to
cool the fires, always with something nice to day.
Thanks for more of your always-positive input, Jim.
Jesus continues to be very proud of you.
He has told me you are the apple of His eye.
(not that that matters to you)
jw
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:53:58 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:49:27 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:55:28 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Do not read the story to avoid dissapointments
Sad that you are so small-minded that you'd assume every else
would have the same negative reaction to my story you did;
that is, if you read it.
jw
Do not care about this troll, John. Who cares about his opinion?
He simply wants to malign the website. He likes to supports
"Christian gays" who say "The Lord is my shepherd and he knows
I am gay" - just imagine.
Love to you, brother in Christ,
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
I have a question for you. Would you post something on your that
claims it is their copyright when it is not?
Not if I knew, Larry. Why? Is there such a thing? I would take it
down at once.
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
Yes Vera, the new site that you posted about John is not his
copyright. The title may be, and his name. But that is all. The
verses that he posted he did not write. Those came from another
author.
Which author, Larry?
The author of 2 Kings Vera. When John claimed it as his copyright,
he was claiming the whole page. And he did not write 2 Kings. But
the problem is solved, John has apologized, matter is closed.
Oh, I see - you decide when matters are closed? You start them, and
you close them. Fine.
I am not sure if this matter is closed for me.
It certainly isn't closed for me.
I made an honest mistake. It was pointed out. I fixed it. But I have
still had to answer some 30 ugly remarks from false accusers who say I
commited some capital crime (punishable by death).
In fact, an honest mistake is NOT plagiarism.
That is true - you did your best! I am proud of you!
It really makes me cry when I see how the Christians towards handicapped
people.
Careful there, Vera! Jesus said we are not known for what we SAY, but
for what we DO about what we say.
When these people take PRIDE for how they mistreat the handicapped--
Elaine has BRAGGED about her OPEN ridicule of the mentally ill-- that
is not Christianity.
I am not fooled. I have been at this Christianity stuff for over 50
years now.
And Jesus is not fooled.
jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
The whole concept of "plagiarism" REQUIRES DELIBERATELY using someone
else's words without attribution.
What Elaine has done to me is a PRIME example.
No one has made a stenk about Elaine's plagiarism!
jw
~ vera ~
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Larry
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I see that it is no longer there though. So that solves the
problem and answers my question.
Yes, I will take it back until this is proved. I cannot find
anything about this story in the internet, so maybe someone might
help.
Maybe you wrte me a private e-mail in such a case next time?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Larry
~ vera ~
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~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
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What Elaine has done to me is a PRIME example.
No one has made a stenk about Elaine's plagiarism!
That's because 'Elaine' has not plagiarized you.
I'm willing to let a judge determine that; how about you?
In the meantime, I am taking steps to have your web page closed down.
I HAVE checked with the owner of your web page, and they do not
tolerate plagiarism.
I suggest you read the rules. You have broken them.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
We knew YOU didn't! This issue concerns John Weatherly. You don't
care
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about John. You hvae made that VERY obvious.
But I still love you.
With YOUR brand of 'love' I'd rather eat rat poison.
We all make choices.
If you choose to eat poison, I can only encourage you.
What a silly thing to say.
Nor have I seen any love from YOU in the past 5 YEARS.
There's an old saying, Elaine. IT goes like this.
What goes around comes around.
The Bible puts it this way.
YOU reap what YOU sew.
jw
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Congradulations!
again the self-proclaimed wordsmith demonstrates his lack of ability
to spell CONGRATulations...............
How sad!
I tried to do something to honor Christ.
I posted a scripture passage that has had special meaning for me.
It's a passage that says basically, "when you feel the whole world
closing in around you,
LOOK UP!
You are not alone!!"
And the small-minded haters and bigots of the world have done nothing
but try every possible way to demean that effort to honor God, merely
because someone they DESPISE has made a mistake in that effort.
As I was taught since my childhood,
"Praise the Lord ANYHOW!"
I wonder if He is honored by the attitudes and actions of these
small-minded bigots.
jw
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:03:37 +0200, "~ vera ~"
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Not? What did it give you then? Power? The feeling of being right?
More
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
self-esteem by pointing out to the mistakes of others publicly? You
will
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
know. God will know, too.
DO get real
p k
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Basically John is mentally ill. Everything he says or does must be
filtered
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through that fact.
He should STILL be held accountable for his numerous THREATS.
You WILL be held accountable for your numerous CRIMES.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Basically John is mentally ill. Everything he says or does must be
filtered
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through that fact.
And don't forget that SL is also mentally ill. She's also in ACUTE
denial, so you must filter all HER remarks through that fact.
jw
and of course, according to you, weatherly, everyone with the good
sense to disagree with you is auto-labeled 'mentally ill' BY you.
Another in your ever growing stack of lies.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And one of John H's delusions is that anyone cares what he thinks
besides John H.
Many people DO. YOUR problem is, most people don't care about YOUR
ridiculous comments, your sexual fixations and guttermouth.
Hey, Elaine.
read my lips.
you know what I'm going to say. You always claim you do.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And we won't hold our breath waiting for you to realize that you have
become
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
totally obsessed with "proving him wrong".
poor Cathy ..........really dear, don't you have some nice housework
you should be doing?
She's merely commenting, oh hypocrite, that your favorite past time
seems to be harrassing me (illegal).
You have even DEMANDED that others use your "handle", then you REFUSE
To use theirs.
jw
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:31:58 +1100,
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I DO keep a paper trail of what I write.
on a long roll in the bathroom?
THAT WAS
NAUGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know --- but it was ACCURATE, ya gotta admit!!!!!!!!!!!! :o[)
Talk about "potty mouth!"
Your "idea" came right out of the TOILET!
That's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Christian of you!
jw
Johnnie, I wouldn't line the bottom of a BIRD CAGE with that trash you
call 'writing'.
But you'll slap it all over your web page.
You lying, psychopathic hypocrite.
You DEMANDED that vera remove YOUR writing from HER site, but you
REFUSE to remove mine from yours!
Which is VERY likely why she has refused to remove yours from hers!
jw
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Now kindly explain, coward, why you felt COMPELLED to violate my
copyright?
So, liar John, when are -you- going to explain "why you felt COMPELLED" to steal
a news story written by someone else and call it your own?
I didn't.
Liar.
To call a news story written by someone else "my own" would be to
leave their name off and put mine on as "writer", or "written by."
I left the writer's name ON his piece, and INSTEAD, put mine atop WITH
AN EXPLANATION as the "editor."
Try again, you pathological liar.
jw
Ciao,
Falcon
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
My article, my story, with an accompanying copyright, cannot be
posted
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elsewhere without permission.
nione of your so-called 'articles' or 'stories' were copied by me, and
never would be. You're no writer.
And besides that, I am simply not interested in that crap you call
'writing'.
You god damned liar! If you aren't interested in my "crap", why is so
much of it on your web page?
As far as any "read and heed" goes,
I couldn't care less what you have to say to me other than that you're
taking my writing off your hateful, ridiculous web page.
jw
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| x-no-archive: yes
|
| >
| >
| >
| >< snipped irrelevant lines>
| >
| >>> John,
| >>> I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with
you,
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| >>> you are just not worth the time or effort.
| >>
| >> Larry, what are you doing there?
| >>
| >> What if Jesus might say one day you are not worth the time and
effort?
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| >>
| >> You will be judged like you judge John. Be careful. I am
worrying about
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
| >> you.
| >>
| >>
| >> Peace,
| >>
| >> ~ vera ~
| >
| >And yet it was you that posted on April 2, 2005 this reply to Doc.
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| >> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:32:50 +0200, "~ vera ~"
| >
| >>> If you know all that will happen so well, why do you have to
write
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post
| >>> after post about it? It seems you occupy yourself a little bit
too
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much
| >>> with John. Maybe you should start to have a look at yourself. I
have
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only
| >>> read inflaming from you in the last weeks. It seems you cannot
get
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over
| >>> yourself.
| >
| >
| >> yup-- your little nemesis has 'taught you' well !
| >
| >
| >
| >You are not worth another line.
| >
| >
| >__________________________________________
| >
| >Have you had a change of heart - or you just double minded?
| >
| >Al (Axel)
| >
|
| Elaine was and is acting in a VERY ugly, VERY unChristian manner.
I
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| was not.
|
|
| jw
| x-no-archive: yes
By the way, I save this for special moments, John H, but this is one
of those.
Go fuck yourself!
jw
good point, galia.............
Oh, Elaine! It's not like you've never heard the words before!
And I'd bet $10 you've used them!
Even if only under your breath!
At LEAST I am HONEST about it.
You haven't had an honest moment in 10 years.
jw
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| >
| >
| >
| >< snipped irrelevant lines>
| >
| >>> John,
| >>> I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with you,
| >>> you are just not worth the time or effort.
| >>
| >> Larry, what are you doing there?
| >>
| >> What if Jesus might say one day you are not worth the time and effort?
| >>
| >> You will be judged like you judge John. Be careful. I am worrying about
| >> you.
| >>
| >>
| >> Peace,
| >>
| >> ~ vera ~
| >
| >And yet it was you that posted on April 2, 2005 this reply to Doc.
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| >> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:32:50 +0200, "~ vera ~"
| >
| >>> If you know all that will happen so well, why do you have to write
post
| >>> after post about it? It seems you occupy yourself a little bit too
much
| >>> with John. Maybe you should start to have a look at yourself. I have
only
| >>> read inflaming from you in the last weeks. It seems you cannot get
over
| >>> yourself.
| >
| >
| >> yup-- your little nemesis has 'taught you' well !
| >
| >
| >
| >You are not worth another line.
| >
| >
| >__________________________________________
| >
| >Have you had a change of heart - or you just double minded?
| >
| >Al (Axel)
| >
|
| Elaine was and is acting in a VERY ugly, VERY unChristian manner. I
| was not.
|
|
| jw
| x-no-archive: yes
By the way, I save this for special moments, John H, but this is one
of those.
Go fuck yourself!
jw
By the way, I save this for special moments, galia, but this is one
of those.
Go fuck yourself!
jw
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<snipped>
I know something about the subject. I have a BA in Journalism!
If you quote someone, even a SNIP, you MUST attach their name, and you
must get permission.
Funny...you never sought my permission to quote me in your new thread
[John Hennekes: What A HYPOCRITE! Castigates ME for "Plagiarism" But
Ignores Jim's],
You are AGAIN being DELIBERATELY ridiculous.
My, but what big letters you write with, Grandma.
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I don't see a copyright notice attached to each of YOUR posts. There
is a copyright notice attached to each of MY posts.
You said, and I quote, "If you quote someone, even a SNIP, you MUST
attach their name, and you must get permission." Absolutely no mention
of "copyright notice" to be seen.
You are back to playing quibble quibble toddler games.
When you decide to be an adult for a change, get back to me.
The topic -- my copyright being violated-- didn't change simply
becuase you want to play word games.
AGAIN, John, explain to me please, how this behavior of yours honors
Christ.
I say it doesn't.
And I say that that LONG ago stopped even being a consideration in
your mind.
Pharisee, hypocrite.
child.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And the quotes DO embarrass me, since you took them out of context,
WITHOUT PERMISSION, WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION, TO EMBARRASS ME.
then stop making such a public menace of yourself, weatherly.
BEHAVE YOURSELF for one week
show me how.
Behave yourself for one day.
I also do not live to live by YOUR standards, whatever they may be.
and I'll remove your trash.
Lie.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
evangelize the lost.
Yeah, well, it's interesting that he often decides who is "lost" based
on who stands up to his lies and whining in non-religious newsgroups.
That's right, argue with him on some technical topic and he considers
you "lost" without any knowledge at all of your religious convictions.
Also, I doubt very much that God approves of off-topic posts to
newsgroups.
You certainly have the right to your POV. Does John have the right to
HIS?
jw
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:19:06 -0700,
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
You could also killfile him.
Sorry, not possible. He doesn't use a single username to post
from. See <http://macconsult.com/identities> for the large
number of posting identities that Mr. Wolf uses (and continues
to create).
For this reason, it is also not possible to "ignore" posts from
him, because he simply creates additional identities.
No doubt you think it is very Christian of him to disrupt ongoing
business in other newsgroups.
You falsely accuse me. I believe I have stated very clearly that this
is one area in which John and I disagree.
I have also stated that I have voiced my disapproval to John, which is
all I can do.
He feels very strongly that he should be posting to your group, and so
I have left it with God.
That is all I can do.
I suggest that you do what I have done. Study his style enough that
you can recognize him from his opening words, say the first paragraph.
Once you recognize that it is John's post, move on.
And I am sorry if John sees this post and gets upset with me about it,
but I remain convinced that he is doing more harm than good in your
group, and I have said as much to him.
He IS an adult, and so he can decide these things for himself.
Charlatan!
Boy, can some people leap to the wrong conclusions!
I am on YOUR side on this one!
Have a nice day, and God bless!
jw
Beverly
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Subject: Re: John Weatherly, Uncle Davey or other BELIEVERS need your help!
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:59:38 GMT, Bible Bob
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 01:24:23 GMT, Bible Bob
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:16:57 -0700, Bible John
Writing apologetics, exegetical, theological, and topical bible messages
is getting to be too complex for one person, especially the non ministry
type messages. This is only 4 catagories of messages, and I have not
even mentioned missional. If either of you have been to a christian
college, bible college or seminary you will be able to distinguish the
differences in style between the different types of messages.
Looking at my website you will see that I have not published any
THEOLOGICAL messages yet. I'd like too but have not had the time.
Perhaps one of you could assist me with these weekly bible
messages/studies, and your work will be published on my website with
your name on it. I am thinking that I could use an extra hand on the
theological and exegetical messages/studies, while I focus ONLY on the
apologetics studies and ministry topical (daily christian living
studies). For my Church Education ministries major I seem best
qualified in such areas. Although I can write excellent theological
messages, I have more study in the ministry and apologetics area.
Let me know what you think, and if you are not John Weatherly or Uncle
Davey I must first test you to see if you are not of a cult, and that
you know what you are talking about.
Some ideas for future studies.
Theology
Theology of calling
Theology of Hell
Theology of the Sabbath
Cessationalism?
Do animals go to heaven?
Theology of Fasting
Easy believism
dispensationalism
Lordship Salvation
Soul Sleep
Bible
Exegesis on the Fall of Lucifer
exegesis on 2 Tim 3:1-9
exegesis on Matt 6:25-34
Apologetgics
Evolution
Seventh Day Adventistism
Other cults
For more ideas seek out apologist Hank Hanegraaf
Ministry
Phil of Small groups
The Emerging Church
Bible translations
Other random ministry topics. For ideas seek Pastor Joel Osteen, Chip
Ingram, Fred Wilson, or other such ministry preachers.
John,
Looks to me from what you wrote that you need God's help.
The more you post, BB, the more you prove that you know NOTHING about
real Christianity.
While I would not suggest to John that this group is the best place to
"mine" for help, it is certainly scriptural for Christians to ask
other Christians to help in their time of need.
"Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find; knock, and the
door will be opened for you."
And like it,
'You do not have because you do not ask."
jw
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jw,
What I wrote was not mean or wrong but loving and kind. Read the
whole thing, not just the first line. If you think it is wrong for a
Christian to ask for God's help, then I think you might want to learn
and apply what I wrote to John.
Looks to me from what you wrote that you need God's help.
as you have reverted back to your posting to me in KJV misbehavior, I
leave you.
jw
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You lost me at "I happen to be a Jeff Foxworthy fan." I've never seen
those words in that order before.
Why tell me you have no SOH?
He's sold a lot of records!
And the networks thought he was funny enough that he had his own
sitcom.
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I'd consider suing YOU for plagiarism, crawls.
But you, like your girlfriend Phar Lap, are such devout cowards yuo hide
behind phony names and phony e-mail addresses.
"Your day will come."
jw
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But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch
:)
Jani
even MORE entertaining, Jani, when weatherly gets the EDUCATION he
needs.
No plagiaryor copyright violation was committed, for sure.
And let's face it---- if weatherly imagines his writing is so
wonderful, you'd think he'd be pleased someone posted the thing here
in its entirety!
Doc :o)
Quite seriously, though - I have a few friends who are professional writers,
and they are *extremely* careful about what they publish on the Net, and
what is kept separate for print publication.
You CONTINUE to miss the greater issue, which is one of CONTROL.
I as an author should have the final say as to where my work appears,
and in what form.
You do have the final say. You have the choice to place your work wherever
you wish. You *don't* have control over the Net or the Web, however.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Phar Lap, -- and YOU -- have now shown utterly NO regards for my
intellectual rights, regardless of what you think of my writing
ability.
I haven't made any comment on the quality of your writing. I've commented
solely on the legalities and practicalities of intellectual property
legislation, which you'd do well to consider if you intend to publish both
on the Web and in print.
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In its current state, that story now will reflect POORLY on my writing
talents.
I have EVERY intent to rewrite it, as vera and I had previously agreed
would be the process.
Then as I said elsethread, if your complaint is that a first draft appeared
on Vera's site without your permission, your issue is a private one *with
her*.
You CONTINUE to be slow to understand, and with your careless
attitude, I am not inclinded to explain further.
The ONLY point that matters is that Phar Lap posted my story
DELIBERATELY, KNOWING he would piss me off, and THAT is PRECISELY WHY
he did it.
He has said REPEATEDLY that he considers my writing "trash", so why
would he take if off the site and post it in here?
To violate my copyright!
(duh)
And to say to me, "Now, sucka! What are YOU going to do about it? You
don't even know who I am?"
And YOU are so DULL minded, you can ONLY look at me and give advice.
You couldn't care less that Phar Lap violated me VERY DELIBERATELY,
for the sole purpose of pissing me off!
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But if Phar Lap and others (like you) are going to show NO regard for
my legal rights, I don't DARE put up anything that is close to
publishable for fear of being ripped off by people I can't find (Phar
Lap), who REMAINS one of the biggest ANONYMOUS COWaRDS on the
internet.
Perhaps you should consider what I stated above - professional writers are
very careful about what they put on the Net and the Web.
Perhaps YOU should stay out of it.
jw
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I couldn't care less what you have to say to me other than that
you're
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taking my writing off your hateful, ridiculous web page.
your 'writing' I want no part of. However, taking some of your
ridiculous comments from usenet groups is not plagiarism. Now be
quiet.
I'll be quiet when ;you have been convicted of malicious plagiarism
and your web page has been taken down.
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
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Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
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1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
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That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
And if you had wanted it posted to numerous other alt* ngs, email lists,
yahoo groups, LJs, et al, you could have done that yourself. Are you going
to sue every single person who has posted it elsewhere?
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Work which
you had already made available on a free-access site.
That is irrelevant. Virtually any site you can access the first 5 -
10 pages of is a "free-access site". That does NOT mean you can take
the contents and do with them what you will, UNLESS that is CLEARLY
stated in the copyright which is PROMINENTLY displayed on the page..
The only way around that copyright law is if there is NO copyright
displayed on the page.
Copyright statements are not the point; copyright is still vested in the
author *whether or not* there is a copyright statement. Have you any idea of
the trouble professional researchers go to, tracking down the original
authorship of unattributed material, in order to ensure that *they*
attribute correctly? Probably not ...
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
You may THINK you know copyright law. You do not.
Yes, I do. And I also know the practicalities of intellectual property
legislation, which is something that seems to have escaped you.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
As a published, degreed author for MANY years, I have kept a CLOSE ear
to copyright law-- even as it applies to publications published on the
web.
So how is it that you still don't understand it?
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He didn't plagiarise
it,
You are incorrect.
He did not take your work and attribute it as his own authorship. No
plagiarism.
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he didn't violate your authorial copyright on it,
Yes, in fact, he did. He did not have my permission to post it.
PERIOD.
Reproduction rights are not the same as authorial copyright.
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it would be *very*
difficult to show that you suffered any financial disadvantage from his
posting since you, yourself, had already made it available on a freely
accessible website advertised here every day - what on earth are you going
to sue him FOR?
I guess you will be one who will have to wait and see.
As I'm still waiting to see the "proof" for that fifth-century "baptist
church" in England? I won't hold my breath, then ;)
Merely because I did not have the foresight to photograph the church,
and merely becasue I have not been able to get anyone ELSE to
photograph it does not make the church cease to exist.
jw
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There are reasons we have the opportunity copyright our work. One of
the reasons is to CONTROL where it appears, and in what form.
Phar Lap CLEARLY and with malice aforehand VIOLATED my rights to
control where my property appears, and in what form.
Then, SUE HIM! Take him to court! Explain to the judge that you yourself are
quite careless about accurate attributions of others' work, that you posted
a story on a publicly accessible website which was repeatedly advertised on
an equally publicly accessible alt* newsgroup, that you have NO idea how
many times this publicly accessible piece of work has been reposted on the
Net and the Web, but you demand reparation from someone who took this piece,
*correctly attributed to you and without breaching your authorial
copyright*, and reposted it on the very newsgroup where its location on the
Web had been advertised!
Go for it, John. Sheesh.
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In fact, I had already told vera after I sent her the story that I was
going to send her a re-write to post, since I wasn't entirely happy
with how the story came out.
Your private dealings with Vera are pretty much irrelevant here.
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Phar Lap's FLAGRANT violation of my copyright makes a reposting of an
update UNTHINKABLE.
No, sorry, *you* put your first draft on Vera's *public and publicly
advertised site*. If you wanted only the final draft to appear there, it's
entirely your fault for jumping the gun.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
He also has sent me a non-too-subltle threat that I can COUNT on him
to violate my coypright and to repost elsewhere ANYTHING ELSE I post
there.
Better not put your first drafts on Vera's website, then, since anyone who
reads all the groups Vera posts to can access her site and repost your stuff
wherever they please. You could become the biggest suer on the Net, at this
rate.
AGAIN, you have NO CLUE about copyright law.
The whole point of copyright law is that the author gets to decide who
uses his material, and where it's used, and in what quantity.
The FACT that MANY choose to violate copyright law by reproducing and
reposting in an unauthorized manner doesn't mean they aren't breaking
the law.
And even if YOU don't understand copyright law, I DO.
And the ONLY thing that keeps Phar Lap out of court is that I don't
know who the bastard is.
And that point is OBVIOUS since he has YET to sprout "a pair" and let
us all know who he is.
He's one of the biggest COWARDS on the internet.
And YOU are for supporting his crimes.
Just because he can get away with it doesn't make it right.
And you STILL have NO CLUE why I am so pissed off about him ripping me
off, nor have you taken ONE NANOSECOND to ask.
You would RATHER ASSUME
and ASSUME wrongly, makilng you as big an ASS as Phar Lap.
jw
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As for the monetary value, I have made more $$$ from my writing over a
3-year period than YOU have likely earned in your entire life.
Then you'll have very little difficulty convincing the court that Phar Lap's
supposed "copyright violation" has caused you financial disadvantage, since
you'll be able to prove how much you earn from your published work .. won't
you?
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At any rate, I thank you AGAIN, for your consideration, and for your
being so respectful of copyright law.
You are just another criminal.
My gosh, John, shall I now *see you in court* for libel? Grow up, lad :)
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
And if you had wanted it posted to numerous other alt* ngs, email lists,
yahoo groups, LJs, et al, you could have done that yourself. Are you going
to sue every single person who has posted it elsewhere?
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Work which
you had already made available on a free-access site.
That is irrelevant. Virtually any site you can access the first 5 -
10 pages of is a "free-access site". That does NOT mean you can take
the contents and do with them what you will, UNLESS that is CLEARLY
stated in the copyright which is PROMINENTLY displayed on the page..
The only way around that copyright law is if there is NO copyright
displayed on the page.
Copyright statements are not the point; copyright is still vested in the
author *whether or not* there is a copyright statement. Have you any idea of
the trouble professional researchers go to, tracking down the original
authorship of unattributed material, in order to ensure that *they*
attribute correctly? Probably not ...
That is likely the dumbest remark you have yet made. When there is no
attribution with the material, it may be quoted freely.
And the ONLY defense required in a court if the attribution "got lost"
from the piece is that "there was no attribution with the
article/piece when we found it."
PERIOD.
You continue to display TOTAL ignorance of copyright law while you
PRETEND to know the subject.
And don't pretend with ME!! I KNOW THE subject.
jw
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
And if you had wanted it posted to numerous other alt* ngs, email lists,
yahoo groups, LJs, et al, you could have done that yourself. Are you going
to sue every single person who has posted it elsewhere?
If I find it posted a dozen other places, that is VERY likely.
And AGAIN, thanks for your support of copyright law!
And I have not forgotten your libel.
jw
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Given some of your other assertions, no doubt you'll understand if I take
that with a rather large pinch of salt.
What you are suggesting is that I am such a liar that you can't
believe I graduated from one of the Top 5.
Provide EVIDENCE of my lying about ANYTHING,
or I'll take the above remark as libel.
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Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
You seem to be confusing authorial copyright with reproduction rights - and
confusing *both* of those with how the legal system works, as regards
intellectual property.
Not at all.
And YOU-- not a writer by ANY stretch-- presume to tell a
professionally trained, published author how copyright works.
If you BOTHERED to read the 20 copyrights like I suggested, the
copyright itself states what may and may not be used, and how.
DUH!
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
Should you bring a civil action against him, I think you'll find that "he's
a smartass" is not going to be seen as particularly pertinent - even by your
own lawyer.
I will point out to you that your POV is your POV and NOT a legal
opinion.
Nor will I argue with another criminal who sees NO harm in Phar Lap
stealing my intellectual property.
jw
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Johnnie, I wouldn't line the bottom of a BIRD CAGE with that trash
you
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call 'writing'.
But you'll slap it all over your web page.
Yes, on that special page which clearly shows how you malign others,
and thank you for admitting that what you write is crap.......
So when did you stop signing your posts, Darth? when you began
ADMITTING your crimes?
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You do as much creative editing as Elaine.
I don't need to plagiarize. I know how to write. And your trash I
would not walk across the room for.
But you'll post it.
jw
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You WILL be held accountable for your numerous CRIMES.
jw
I haven't committed any.
Plagiarism is a white-collar crime.
libel is a white collar crime.
harassment on the web is a white collar crime.
stalking is a crime
You have done all the above.
jw
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Larry-- like a long list of others-- considers it his sworn duty to
climb upon my back at every opportunity.
jw
then why not STOP giving everyone so much REASON TO jump on you?
Haven't you ever heard the pith, Elaine, that "character" means how
you act when you think no one is looking?
jw
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Larry-- like a long list of others-- considers it his sworn duty to
climb upon my back at every opportunity.
jw
then why not STOP giving everyone so much REASON TO jump on you?
Oh, but according to YOU and your bud galia, I LOVE it so!
Why don't YOU do the right thing, be an ADULT for a change, and NOT
kick the dog just because you can?
Are you THAT MUCH OUT OF CONTROL?
Do you STEAL just because no one's looking?
Do you LIE just because you think no one will know the difference?
Do you CHEAT just because you're sure you won't be caught?
Where is your motivation to do the right thing BECAUSE it's the right
thing?
Where's the motivation to live as Jesus commanded?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
jw
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|trashed tossed
| jw
You couldn't live without those people on usenet; it's your sworn
duty as a Narcissist to lie and abuse!
I agree with this post
Gee, Elaine! Someone's confused! (you)
You have been accusing me all this time of
1. faking it
2. being EXTREMELY mentally ill
3. being schizophrenic
now of
4. being a Narccisist.
which is it?
ALL the above? (impossible)
or NONE of the above?
Do you know how DANGEROUS that makes you in a clinical setting?
YOUR "diagnoses" change with your mood!
I can here Dr Matthews, the head psychiatrist, now.
Monday: Mr Jones is schizophrenic, with delusions
Tuesday: Mr Jones is bi-polar
Wednesday: Mr Jones is a Narcissist
Thursday: Mr Jones is MPD
Friday: Mr Jones is perfectly healthy and faking it all.
You'd be unemployed and facing fraud charges by Saturday.
jw
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You like Elaine, continually blame others for your inability to cope.
wrong as usual, weatherly!
You just proved my point AGAIN, Darth. You are utterly incapable of
accepting personal responsibility.
You ALWAYS shirk it off, blame others, deny deny deny.
Sure signs of extreme pathology.
jw
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Keep it up. And one day soon I'll own everything you used to own!
jw
Will that raise your IQ and improve your cognition
I don't need my IQ raised, Phar Lap.
But thanks for thinking about me,
demoniac.
jw
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Hmm...........I will keep that in mind the next time you make sexual
accusations against me.
I have never made any, madam, but if it makes you feel better to
falsely accuse me, go for it. It is you who will be forced to answer
for it.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall
speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
You, OTOH, HAVE made unav\ccaeptable and inappropriate sexual comments
TO and about me, such as the ridiculous 'lapdancing for Satan' trash.
However, since you are not permitted to even TRY to upset me, I will
continue to ignore your lies just as I ignore weatherly's false
bravado and idle threats of 'suing me' and/or 'having my site shut
down'.
What makes you think I make idle threats, Elaine? You have just had
WAY too many warnings, because I'm a nice guy and I believe in "going
the last mile," but to no avail.
I remind myself daily that you continue to endanger your patients and
other innocent people with your vitriole, and shutting your site
down-- while a goal-- is not on my front burner.
jw
May God bless you both. You're a wonderful pair.
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I also do not live to live by YOUR standards, whatever they may be.
Then the posts remain!
You never had any intent to remove my posts, Elaine,
other than by court order.
Yet you demand that vera remove YOUr posts, and you throw the tizzy of
the millennium when she doesn't.
You REMAIN a PATHETIC pathological liar,
and the world champion DRAMA QUEEN.
jw
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and I'll remove your trash.
ROTFL!
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 06:00:10 -0700,
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Anyway, to answer your question, John certainly has the right to his
POV. As for STATING said POV, though, he doesn't have the right to do
so in groups where it's entirely off-topic.
Thant AGAIN, is your POV. Which John evidently does not share.
No, that isn't Mike's point of view. Relevant topics are defined in
the charter for each newsgroup, which was achieved by consensus (and
voting).
Unfortunately John (and from this post, apparently you) have no
respect for the rights of others.
I doubt seriously if John is the ONLY off-topic poster in here.
And I have NOT posted any religious POVs. That is MY nod of respect to
your group's "charter", on which *I* did not vote.
Finally, as has been pointed out to you by several people (including
me), John's constant use of new aliases makes it impossible to
exclude posts from him.
It is certainly easy enough-- by reading the first sentence-- or the
first paragraph-- to determine that a post is off-topic and to stop
reading it.
No, THAT thought would not occur to you. YOU -- like the rest of the
Nazis in here -- must PURGE and CLEANSE of the group of any opposing
thought.
How INCESTUOUS.
It is a sadness that your intelligence doesn't permit you to
comprehend that.
My intelligence apparently exceeds your own. I know how to read a line
or two of a post, realize it's not to my liking, and move on.
You are dull enough to not know you disagree until you've read the
last word of a 25 page thesis.
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Must you CLEANSE the internet of all contrary thought?
That is hardly what Mike or anyone else has espoused.
That is EXACTLY what you espouse. Why deny it?
You are objecting PRECISELY to John coming in here with views which
YOU do not wish to read.
That is called INTOLERANCE and it is called "cleansing."
Both are RIGHT OUT OF THE 3rd Reich! And you should be ashamed.
As they say in TV land, "if you don't like what's on, grab the
remote!"
I have no
problem with John posting questions about computers to groups whose
charters permit that. There are plenty of other groups where he
can post material with religious content, where it can be read
by those whom it interests the most.
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ALL you have said, in a PLETHORA of worsd, is that you are intolerant
of posters who have thoughts contrary to your own..
Apparently the inherent contradiction in that statement hasn't yet
struck you. Shall we give you a decade or two?
I'm not sure we have enough time for you to get the irony there.
jw
Beverly
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Oh quit your prating, you sound like the fucking
Taliban/Al Qaeda!
Steve
Prating? Steve need[s] to improve your spelling.
Nothing like a little applied Karma...
Christians don't believe in "Karma". We believe in "sin."
IOW, "you reap what you sow."
jw
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Oh quit your prating, you sound like the fucking Taliban/Al Qaeda!
Steve
Prating? Steve need to improve your spelling.
John
John, you mentioned haveing Walz's attention a bit earllier.
Is this what you call a "receptive" audience?
You have MUCH to learn, my friend.
I mentioned to you awhile back that you needed to conserve your
energies for those who are receptive.
That advice seems to have gone in one ear and out the other.
Perhaps I should stop giving advice.
?
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Please join me in daily prayer for the victims of this
horrible London bomb terrorist attack that has killed
at least 40 and wounded many others.
Nothing like exploiting that tragedy to forward your own agenda, eh?
Your comment forwards yours, does it not?
Pay no attention to that whooshing sound...
You WERE referring to your bleeting, weren't you?
Apparently, you have problems with reading comprehension. Why am I not
surprised...?
And YOU have serious tolerance issues, don't you? Why am I not
surprised?
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:36:18 -0700, Bible John
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Good luck with that John.
It would be my advice for you to make note of those who are posting
hateful messages to you and killfile them.
Bear in mind that many who you consider "hateful" are people in groups
you are cross-posting to. Like handhelfpc and alt.atheism.
Perhaps you are beginning to see the value of my advice awhile back to
not go where you aren't wanted.
God bless.
jw
yes, stupid!
Well, *I* don't want YOU in HERE, stupid!
So why are you still in here?
And did that last comment from you glorify Christ in ANY way?
Or do you just claim to be a Christian when it's convenient or funny?
jw
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:46:03 -0700, Bible John
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Guess what? You don't own Usenet.
Deal.
Thats it your know on my killfilter. Jason kill-filed many and I need
to stop reading in google and start in my newsclient.
John, you keep saying it, suppose you do it?
And it might be MUCH easier if you'd download Forte Agent.
www.forteinc.com
It's not expensive, and it's the best reader around.
jw
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the christians want to talk on an atheist newsgroup?
Get back to me when you spot the stupidity of that comment
Stop invading free.christians and I would not have posted.
This from the guy who routinely "invades" other groups.
I've just pointed that out to him myself, Dave.
As I've said, I'm on your side on this one.
However, I think you may begin to see-- if you hvae any native
intelligence-- that John is not responsive to your just criticism.
I therfore suggest you do the adult thing-- suck it up and kilfile
him. Your attempt to "cleanse the group" of his sort is reminiscent
of Nazi Germany.
A little "tolerance" perhaps?
jw
There's
nothing more worth despising than hypocrisy in an alleged "Christian."
ISTM that the only reason we saw a response from kathryn in the first
place was because *you* cross-posted into a group that she reads, and
all she did was reply. Now, that's not too difficult a concept for you
to grasp, is it?
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:45:14 -0700, Bible John
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the christians want to talk on an atheist newsgroup?
Get back to me when you spot the stupidity of that comment
Stop invading free.christians and I would not have posted.
That's kind of hypocritical, brother John.
Look at the newsgroups list, and observe all the groups YOU have
"invaded".
Are we to NOT "practice as we preach?"
jw
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But we have the attention of Tommy, Roger, Walz, Mike and
Bev in those boards and I know they read the bible messages.
First, you *don't* know that. Second, with such a pathetic example of
Christianity as you represent, what makes you think it will make any
difference if they see the "bible messages?" After all, with you and
jw as shining examples of what Christianity has to offer and what
Christianity really means to its adherents, there's not too much
attractive about the whole thing.
Realize, Dave, that you speak for one person, whether you believe you
actually represent every breathing body on the planet or not.
You have now had your say.
John is entitled to the same, as am I.
And if you don't like what I post, for the 10,000th time I have said
this in the BAPTIST GROUP, you are invited to not read my posts.
My preaching HAS led people to Christ, and I have no doubt that there
are timid souls out there / and in here / who appreciate me, whether
they say so or they do not.
In fact, I periodically get e-mails from my supporters-- who shall
remain nameless -- who thank me for my witness, but whose faith is not
strong enough to stand up to the critics.
And I am strong enough, so that your taunts and barbs fall impotently
to the dust.
Be a man/woman, suck it up, and MYOB.
I am doing as I feel led by God; are you living up to YOUR end of YOUR
earthly obligation to leave this place better than you found it?
So far, not.
jw
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 11:43:18 -0700, Bible John
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One can hope. My views are if anything even MORE conservative than
John's in the Christian theology/doctrine area, but as I've noted to
you in the atheism and handheldpc areas previously, I have absolutely
NO sympathy for John when he posts where he is not wanted, and I've
told him as much.
But we have the attention of Tommy, Roger, Walz, Mike and Bev in those
boards and I know they read the bible messages.
John, the feedback I've seen from Tommy and Bev (I don't remember
seeing any from Roger, Walz, or Mike) has NOT been positive.
Jesus said that if your message was not received, you were to leave
that town, kick the dust off your sandals, and be on your way.
You are DELIBERATELY disobeying that command, making you borderline
apostate, and AGAIN, walking in the flesh and not the spirit,
suffering an ACUTE attack of self-righteous PRIDE (AGAIN my opinion).
I suggest that you collect your small band of those whom you consider
your supporters from the groups you are currently spamming, and offer
to correspond with them via e-mail.
In the interim, you merely give yourself / and your Lord -- a black
eye.
If you want to compare your activities to mine-- even momentarily - I
have gone outside the baptist group (the one closest to my overall
POV) several times. I tried the SDA group, was asked to leave by
pracatically everyone; I tried the catholic group, same response.
So I am now in the Baptist group, where I take a LOT of heat, but at
LEAST I am in a group where the majority are SUPPOSEDLY of like mind
and spirit.
That, then, becomes a matter of conscience.
"I have done the best I can to seek like m inds without allowing the
evil ones to drive me completely out."
I refuse to allow Satan to take over the group completely.
jw
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I will point out to you folks AGAIN, however, that my pointing out the
folly of that activity (in my view) in NO way means I can promise that
he will see the wisdom of my advice.
I therefore recommend to you that you simply killfile him or don't
read his posts, and I recommend he do the same.
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follow up set to trolls midden heap, no sense giving it a captive audience.
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 03:46:49 -0500,
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
Where is here, you dumped your load to the following groups.
free.christians,microsoft.public.handheldpc,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.christnet.public,alt.parenting.solutions
No less than three have nothing to do with your pettifoggery.
And YOU, crawls, are continually dumping YOUR load in the baptist group,
which has nothing to do with YOUR pettifoggery or your silliness.
Who is this crawls person you are so enamoured with,
If you can butcher MY name and MY reputation, I can return it to you
10-fold, demoniac.
jw
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And I continue to wonder why you type 10 pages of text; I simply
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I am a professional, trained journalist, and professional, trained,
published writer, and theologian.
If you want the best, hire me.
God bless
jw
You may think you are funny; you aren't.
I also note that you are posting anonymously, which I don't do.
You are also being very reduntant, which I don't do.
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I keep asking you to observe the Golden Rule and be nice, Larry. You
keep rejecting the Golden Rule and DEMANDING that I be nice FIRST.
My Bible doesn't have THAT rule in it, Larry.
So you got THAT one from Satan.
Yet who was it who said "Until you talk nicely to ME, then I will
continue to talk to you like the demonic asshole that you are"?
It was not Larry who said that, weatherly, but you.
AGAIN, darling. I am mentally ill. YOu have ALL made a MILLION
comments about that.
But YOU claim to be pefectly HEALTHy!!
So what is YOUR excuse for YOUR monstrous behavior?
And do you TRULY think Jesus is pleased with your behavior and
attitude in here these days?
I don't.
And I don't think you give that issue a nano-second's thought anymore,
Darth Elaine.
jw
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Subtlety is lost on me.
just like intelligence ------- you must be ALLERGIC TO IT.
It's so nice to see you continuing to strive to honor Christ with ever
post!
PTL!!
I DO know that you continue to follow the advice you gave a year or so
"Pray before you click on SEND."
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| I like "if you think I'm a SOB, tell me straight."
SOB!
|
| I am not responsible for Larry's inability to communicate.
Now why would anybody expect you to take responsibility
for someone else; you can't do it for yourself!!!!
Nor can you.
You like Elaine, continually blame others for your inability to cope.
Look inside for your problems and their solutions.
jw
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| I like "if you think I'm a SOB, tell me straight."
SOB!
|
| I am not responsible for Larry's inability to communicate.
Now why would anybody expect you to take responsibility
for someone else; you can't do it for yourself!!!!
By the way, dearest!
I am not your worst enemy!
You are!
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I am not sure if this matter is closed for me.
Who cares?
Me.
Well you have your reasons huh Vera?
How can you claim to love Jesus and be such a hater, SL?
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You just better hope that Jim doesn't come back at you with slander
charges in regards to your comment right above. Oh you better watch
out for his mom also. Not nice to call someone you don't even know a
name.
I still think that is PRECISELY what weatherly needs........ a taste
of his own flotsam.
He's threatened so many people in here, it;'s utterly ridiculous. It's
high time the tables were turned on that individual.
I know ----- you won't agree---- but really, he HAS to be taught a
lesson. People like him only learn such lessons one way-- THE HARD
WAY.
God bless you, Larry........
Actually neither you or John are even capable of learning a lesson.
Speak for yourself, SL. I have learned a LOT about you in the past
year.
One thing I've learned is that you are as hateful and as petty and as
psychotic as Elaine.
You are quite two sides of one coin!
jw
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Now kindly explain, coward, why you felt COMPELLED to violate my
copyright?
So, liar John, when are -you- going to explain "why you felt COMPELLED" to steal
a news story written by someone else and call it your own?
To call a news story written by someone else "my own" would be to
leave their name off and put mine on as "writer", or "written by."
I left the writer's name ON his piece, and INSTEAD, put mine atop WITH
AN EXPLANATION as the "editor."
Try again, you pathological liar.
Changing your story now, liar John? In your own words below you call
it "my own." I ask again: So, liar John, when are -you- going to
explain "why you felt COMPELLED" to steal a news story written by
someone else and call it your own?
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And since I have taken the liberty of re-writing the story,
"Americanizing it", and fixing some typos, I now can call it my own
legally speaking, and I am hereby posting it to the group for your
amusement and enlightenment.
=========================================
And you CONTINUE to lie.
You do as much creative editing as Elaine.
Where's the whole story, or would reposting the entire story AS I
POSTED it have proven that you are the
pathological liar
I have proved that you are.
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But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch
:)
Jani
even MORE entertaining, Jani, when weatherly gets the EDUCATION he
needs.
No plagiaryor copyright violation was committed, for sure.
And let's face it---- if weatherly imagines his writing is so
wonderful, you'd think he'd be pleased someone posted the thing here
in its entirety!
Doc :o)
Quite seriously, though - I have a few friends who are professional writers,
and they are *extremely* careful about what they publish on the Net, and
what is kept separate for print publication.
You CONTINUE to miss the greater issue, which is one of CONTROL.
I as an author should have the final say as to where my work appears,
and in what form.
Phar Lap, -- and YOU -- have now shown utterly NO regards for my
intellectual rights, regardless of what you think of my writing
ability.
In its current state, that story now will reflect POORLY on my writing
talents.
I have EVERY intent to rewrite it, as vera and I had previously agreed
would be the process.
But if Phar Lap and others (like you) are going to show NO regard for
my legal rights, I don't DARE put up anything that is close to
publishable for fear of being ripped off by people I can't find (Phar
Lap), who REMAINS one of the biggest ANONYMOUS COWaRDS on the
internet.
If one simply wants to reach a
wide audience, then the Web and the Net are ideal. If the ultimate aim is to
be *paid* for reaching an audience, then it isn't.
As a non-author, there certainly are things about writing and
publishing that you do not understand.
And I see no reason to enlighten you.
And there is absolutely
no point putting a piece on the Web, where everyone can access it for
nothing, and then expecting a publisher to accept that piece as a viable
marketing concern.
Perhaps you should say, you don't see the point. There ARE reasons
for doing so.
But AGAIN, since you have expressed absolutely NO sympathy, I see no
reason to enlighten you.
As I said, it's very unlikely John could prove any economic disadvantage
from Phar Lap posting his story to the ngs,
In YOUR opinion.
since he'd already put it on a
free access site.
And all you are doing is endorsing thievery.
By doing that, he'd pretty much lost any chance of a print
publisher taking it (unless it was small-press or vanity press, which again,
doesn't make much money for the author).
AGAIN, yuo talk a great deal about things of which you know NOTHING.
I suggset that before you make yourself sound even more foolish, you
shut up.
I note with ironic amusement that you spout endlessly, yet you don't
ask me what my issues are. You TELL me what my issues are, making you
nothing more than another opinionated ignoramus.
jw
Jani
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violating my copyright, Phar Lap?
You just GOTTA go to court with me, eh?
You're about to get your wish!
I think you'll find the courts will only take notice of a copyright
violation if the author can prove some form of financial disadvantage
caused
by the violation. For example, Virginia Heinlein was able to have several
websites taken down because they published extracts from her husband's
works
which clearly exceeded the Fair Use provision; since her income was
dependent on the sale of her husband's published works, the sites could
reasonably be seen as causing financial disadvantage to her.
However, since you have published your story on a free website which is
accessible to all, the URL posted to the ngs several times a day by Vera,
and have allowed Vera to announce on the ngs the inclusion of your story
on
her site,
I didn't "allow vera" to announce my story.
She did it without asking me. And if she had asked me, I would have
said, "don't."
I have since asked her to not announce any other stories.
Fair enough - but it still doesn't alter the fact that Vera posts the URL
for her site with every post, and therefore the contents of that site -
including your story - are being constantly advertised on the ngs.
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I don't think Phar Lap will have much trouble demonstrating that
he has caused no financial disadvantage to you by also posting it here.
Your "thoughts" aren't the issue here. Phar Lap's intent is.
Well, no, the way that the courts interpret the intellectual property laws
is the issue. Phar Lap is not threatening to see *you* in court, you are
threatening to see *him* - and before you initiate a private civil action,
it's only common sense to consider whether or not you will be wasting your
time.
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But do sue him if you wish. It should be very entertaining to watch :)
Jani
Thanks for your support for the copyright laws.
I didn't realize there were so many criminals in here.
And white collar crime is as serious as blue collar crime.
Let's see how loudly you scream when YOU are the victim.
John, copyright remains with the author unless otherwise stated.
You do not need to explain to me how copyright law works. I have a BA
in PhotoJournalism from one of the Top 5 Journalism universities in
the USA.
Part of copyright law gives the author/holder of the copyright the
right to STATE IN THE COPYRIGHT how the publication is to be used.
Restrictions are likewise stated.
Look in the front of 20 different publications, whether books,
magazines, or newspapers, and you will see a variety of copyright
statements. Some allow as much as a page or two to be quoted, as long
as the source is stated. Some allow NO quotes.
*I* allow NO quotes. And to take a quote from a web page on which
there is a CLEARLY stated copyright and then to publish that quote
ELSEWHERE without the author's EXPRESSED WRITTEN consent-- which
consent Phar Lap did not have, and will NEVER have -- is illegal.
1. to be a smartass
2. to CHALLENGE me. "You don't know me! Good luck prosecuting me!"
That is
understood. Phar Lap has not claimed that the story he posted to the ngs was
*his* copyright - he specifically stated that it was *your* work.
THAT is only ONE of the issues. I am aware that he ATTRIBUTED it.
However, HE did N OT hvae permission to place it in this group. If *I*
had wanted the story published in this gruop, I could have done that
myself.
Work which
you had already made available on a free-access site.
That is irrelevant. Virtually any site you can access the first 5 -
10 pages of is a "free-access site". That does NOT mean you can take
the contents and do with them what you will, UNLESS that is CLEARLY
stated in the copyright which is PROMINENTLY displayed on the page..
The only way around that copyright law is if there is NO copyright
displayed on the page.
You may THINK you know copyright law. You do not.
As a published, degreed author for MANY years, I have kept a CLOSE ear
to copyright law-- even as it applies to publications published on the
web.
He didn't plagiarise
it,
You are incorrect.
he didn't violate your authorial copyright on it,
Yes, in fact, he did. He did not have my permission to post it.
PERIOD.
it would be *very*
difficult to show that you suffered any financial disadvantage from his
posting since you, yourself, had already made it available on a freely
accessible website advertised here every day - what on earth are you going
to sue him FOR?
I guess you will be one who will have to wait and see.
There are reasons we have the opportunity copyright our work. One of
the reasons is to CONTROL where it appears, and in what form.
Phar Lap CLEARLY and with malice aforehand VIOLATED my rights to
control where my property appears, and in what form.
In fact, I had already told vera after I sent her the story that I was
going to send her a re-write to post, since I wasn't entirely happy
with how the story came out.
Phar Lap's FLAGRANT violation of my copyright makes a reposting of an
update UNTHINKABLE.
He also has sent me a non-too-subltle threat that I can COUNT on him
to violate my coypright and to repost elsewhere ANYTHING ELSE I post
there.
As for the monetary value, I have made more $$$ from my writing over a
3-year period than YOU have likely earned in your entire life.
At any rate, I thank you AGAIN, for your consideration, and for your
being so respectful of copyright law.
You are just another criminal.
jw
Jani
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Some no good son of a bitch demoniac has cancelled another
one of my accounts.
When I find out WHO it was their ass will be incarcerated
after they answer to a judge and jury.
Demoniac.
God bless
jw
Did you ever stop to think, it might be you? Did you stop to
think it might be the way you acted or treated someone?
think about it.
I don't think liar johnny can lose enough accounts. Now he's
posting under his old name of john_seeks. It was
ujb
I thought I seen that name before. That is one of the reasons I
answered. Another one, I did think it was him.
It is an ANCIENT account name, the hotmail account. And if you
two geniuses had looked just a LITTLE more closely, he didn't use
Which means you are two of those geniuses who see what you want to
see, not what is there.
The made up account he used was
Good grief!
You two need lives!
Larry, you continue to disappoint as you join those who daily
crucify me.
Running low on nails, are you, Larry?
Jesus must be so proud of you right now!
jw
John,
Get off you high horse.
What's the bit about you looking so closely to see if it's really
me?
Concentrate on what's being said, not if it's me or a fake.
SHEEEEEEEESH!!
You are not that mighty.
NOW YOU are a liar, by your own accounting, Larry, since you have
now claimed that I claimed to be mighty.
I have made no such claim.
Like I said, I
remembered the name john seeks.
Got it.
From your digging into my background! You should be SO proud of
that! Gutter rat!
I am sorry for thinking it was you.
Save it. I don't believe your sincerity anymore.
No one who's as buddy buddy with Elaien as you are these days is
sincere.
I now consider you every bit as phony as SHE obviously is.
You have become an Elaine's butt kisser, and you have yet to repent
for falsely accusing me of lying.
Plus you have falsely accused me REPEATEDLY in the past year, more
than a few times calling me a liar.
So I no longer list you on my short list of people I trust.
But what I said to him, applies to you also John.
Suit yourself.
jw
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John,
I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with you,
you are just not worth the time or effort.
Thanks, Larry!
God bless you, too!
Elaine's butt kisser!
You may think me worthless! God loves me!
jw
Of course God loves you, John.
Thanks again for your on-going encouragement, vera.
I'm sending you a note. Watch for it.
jw
~ vera ~
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Some no good son of a bitch demoniac has cancelled another
one of my accounts.
When I find out WHO it was their ass will be incarcerated
after they answer to a judge and jury.
Demoniac.
God bless
jw
Did you ever stop to think, it might be you? Did you stop to
think it might be the way you acted or treated someone?
think about it.
I don't think liar johnny can lose enough accounts. Now he's
posting under his old name of john_seeks. It was
ujb
I thought I seen that name before. That is one of the reasons I
answered. Another one, I did think it was him.
It is an ANCIENT account name, the hotmail account. And if you
two geniuses had looked just a LITTLE more closely, he didn't use
Which means you are two of those geniuses who see what you want to
see, not what is there.
The made up account he used was
Good grief!
You two need lives!
Larry, you continue to disappoint as you join those who daily
crucify me.
Running low on nails, are you, Larry?
Jesus must be so proud of you right now!
jw
John,
Get off you high horse.
What's the bit about you looking so closely to see if it's really
me?
Concentrate on what's being said, not if it's me or a fake.
SHEEEEEEEESH!!
You are not that mighty.
NOW YOU are a liar, by your own accounting, Larry, since you have
now claimed that I claimed to be mighty.
I have made no such claim.
Like I said, I
remembered the name john seeks.
Got it.
From your digging into my background! You should be SO proud of
that! Gutter rat!
I am sorry for thinking it was you.
Save it. I don't believe your sincerity anymore.
No one who's as buddy buddy with Elaien as you are these days is
sincere.
I now consider you every bit as phony as SHE obviously is.
You have become an Elaine's butt kisser, and you have yet to repent
for falsely accusing me of lying.
Plus you have falsely accused me REPEATEDLY in the past year, more
than a few times calling me a liar.
So I no longer list you on my short list of people I trust.
But what I said to him, applies to you also John.
Suit yourself.
jw
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John,
I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with you,
you are just not worth the time or effort.
Thanks, Larry!
God bless you, too!
Elaine's butt kisser!
You may think me worthless! God loves me!
jw
Of course God loves you, John.
Thanks again for your on-going encouragement, vera.
I'm sending you a note. Watch for it.
jw
~ vera ~
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You certainly have the right to your POV. Does John have the right to
HIS?
Oh, I can show you any number of posts by John where he makes it clear
that he feels others do NOT have the right to express their points of
view, where he's flat out said that anyone who disagrees with what he
posts should ignore him rather than respond stating their POV.
Anyway, to answer your question, John certainly has the right to his
POV. As for STATING said POV, though, he doesn't have the right to do
so in groups where it's entirely off-topic.
Thant AGAIN, is your POV. Which John evidently does not share.
And you can continue to waste time, energy, and blood pressure meds
fuming over his "off-topic" posts, or you can take the low-key
approach and simply not read his posts.
Must you CLEANSE the internet of all contrary thought?
Come now!
This is not the 1940's, and we are not living under the 3rd Reich.
John is free to express his POV, and you are free to not read his
posts.
ALL you have said, in a PLETHORA of worsd, is that you are intolerant
of posters who have thoughts contrary to your own..
jw
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jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
See jw, you are stupid.
In fact, I am not. My views-- however contrary to yours-- are NOT
a reflection of my native intelligence, your bullying to the contrary.
If I told you how smart I am, in fact, you likely would not believe
me.
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary theory big
enough to drive Mack trucks through with room to spare.
I couldn't give a rat's ass about your
background; it's your intelligence (or lack of) as exhibited by your
posts I'm concerned about.
I could not care less about your opinion, either.'
If you beileve in evolution, it has NOTHING to do with native
intelligence and EVERYthing to do with world view.
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It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
You were a gofer for various companies. Good for you!
I thought I made it clear, moron, that I was a documentation
specialist.
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My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
So do most brilliant scientists drink bold or mild coffee?
Hehehe.
Congratulations. Now I know one person who chuckled.
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Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
Idiot, you don't even know what sarcasm is.
Idiot. What color is the sky on your home planet?
And since I have now given yuo all this time to indicate some sign of
intelligent life, and all you can muster are junior high school- level
putdowns that are equivalent to "let's compare sizes", I leave you.
jw
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( microsoft and parenting groups removed )
Please join me in daily prayer for the victims of this
horrible London bomb terrorist attack that has killed
at least 40 and wounded many others.
Nothing like exploiting that tragedy to forward your own
agenda, eh?
Your comment forwards yours, does it not?
Pay no attention to that whooshing sound...
You WERE referring to your bleeting, weren't you?
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
Where is here, you dumped your load to the following groups.
free.christians,microsoft.public.handheldpc,alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.christnet.public,alt.parenting.solutions
No less than three have nothing to do with your pettifoggery.
And YOU, crawls, are continually dumping YOUR load in the baptist
group, which has nothing to do with YOUR pettifoggery or your
silliness.
Do you now claim that you are the only one who is allowed to post your
crap whre it's not wanted?
"what goes around..."
jw
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create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
You are not worth the effort.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
Apparently these xian boards include three that are not xian, & one that could care less. So, get back to me when you figure out what gave you the authority to speak for anyojne else besides your petty mean spirited self.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Please learn how to use your news reader & accept responsibility for your own conduct.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
John
That is babbling bible john, not jake?
walksalone who is not surprised that babbling bible john, not jake, is unhappy with the mess it created. His ilk rarely are.
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Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Just so that you know, I tell you, your message was posted to the
free.christians, microsoft.public.handheldpc, alt.atheism,
alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.christnet.public,
alt.parenting.solutions
Actually why do you crosspost at all if you already know that you will
not be welcomed by some of these?
I specially do not comprehend is your reason for posting to
microsoft.public.handheldpc ???????????????????????????????????????
What has Bill Gates got to do with theology? Is your church now running
on Windows platform?
Ordog
"Beware of the man whose God is in the skies." Bernard Shaw
Yes, an enlightened and gifted man, G Bernard Shaw.
jw
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Sorry for posting this to the non christian boards, my mistake.
Oh, okay. But how about all the many other Christian posts you've been
making to the non-Christian boards? Does this mean you've put an end to
that?
One can hope. My views are if anything even MORE conservative than
John's in the Christian theology/doctrine area, but as I've noted to
you in the atheism and handheldpc areas previously, I have absolutely
NO sympathy for John when he posts where he is not wanted, and I've
told him as much.
I will point out to you folks AGAIN, however, that my pointing out the
folly of that activity (in my view) in NO way means I can promise that
he will see the wisdom of my advice.
I therefore recommend to you that you simply killfile him or don't
read his posts, and I recommend he do the same.
jw
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On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 00:36:18 -0700, Bible John
Can you please, please, and please either stop posting your hurtful,
mean spirited messages at me so the christians in here can talk, or
create a yahoo group on me (kinda like JCSM watch) where you can talk
about me all you want. Please these are christian boards and I am tired
of browsing posts and seeing all the hurtful, hateful, mean spirited
messages aimed at me in the threads. Jason probably had far more people
post hurtful things than I do, but I'm not far behind.
Please stop posting here and create a yahoo group so us christians can
talk. Thank you!
Good luck with that John.
It would be my advice for you to make note of those who are posting
hateful messages to you and killfile them.
Bear in mind that many who you consider "hateful" are people in groups
you are cross-posting to. Like handhelfpc and alt.atheism.
Perhaps you are beginning to see the value of my advice awhile back to
not go where you aren't wanted.
God bless.
jw
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Apologies to the Group: I Plagiarized scripture without intending To
I at first thought that my "title" would add sufficiently to the text.
On 2nd thought (and after a dozen of you commented), I decided you all
were right.
I apologize (if you think that is necessary), and I believe I have
come up with a satisfactory solution.
Now, if Jim Agar will apologize for plagiarizing ME,
And if the other criminal who reposted my entire short story violating
my copyright will come forth and apologize, and STOP!!
At least I have rectified my mistake.
jw
Accepted and forgotten
And YOU are reminded, Larry, that YOU are one who has FREQUENTLY
falsely accused me of refusing to ever admit I'm wrong.
Show me where I ever said that John. Show the post in here.
Here we go again. You now choose to deny that you have FREQUENTLY
called me a liar.
You refuse to even repent when you are called on it.
You have gone over to the enemy.
You are killfiled.
jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That wasn't true, Larry. But if I were to assume YOUR POV, I'd have to
call you a "liar" over that one.
And I am not calling you a liar. I am pointing out to you that those
accusations are both uncalled for, and WRONG, and you should
apologize.
But I bet you won't.
Prove me wrong.
See above
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jw
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:39:44 -0500,
used
it for a pretext to demand from others what it did not intend to get
caught at.
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Apologies to the Group: I Plagiarized scripture without intending To
Get caught, but we already knew that.
Unlike you, demon, I do apologize when a mistake I've made is brought
to my attention.
jw
The scriptures do not tell us to forgive when someone apologizes, but to
forgive when someone repents (changes their behavior) ...
My mistakenly posting the scripture under my "copyright" indicated a
mistake in judgement, NOT "misbehavior."
Since it was not intentional, I did nothing wrong.
All the ugly remarks I got from people in here ARE something they all
need to apologize for.
But knowing the majority of those who dump on me daily, I won't hold
my breath.
you're biggest
mistake is logging
You used the wrong form.
The "you're" you have used is a contraction of the term
"you are".
The CORRECT phrase would be
"your"
on to your computer, why don't you repent of that?
Is the guy with the gun at your head still forcing you to read my
posts?
If he is, let me know, and I'll dial 9-1-1.
Last I heard, it's still a free country, and there is even freedom of
speech on usenet.
I am free to speak my mind, and you are free to remain a jerk.
jw
As you are being a jerk when you presume that I or anyone else cares about
"your" or "you're" in a USENET post,
Well, my point that you missed was, if you are goingn to talk about
things that don't interest ME in the least (like your POV), I'll bore
you to tears with English grammar, which OBVIOUSLY bores you, but
which I find fascinating.
Everybody needs a hobby, I suppose.
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FYI, I don't even bother with spell
checkers ...
You're KIDDING!
R E A L L Y ???
but when you start worrying about spelling and grammer, it's an
open admission that you've run out of intelligent things to say ...
That's the illiterate view of those who don't know spelling and
grammar.
(BTW, I have had published in various magazines, poems, crossword puzzles,
short stories, and cartoons, in the past, I know a bit about grammer, but
this is USENET, so, not the place.
And precisely where is that law recorded?
I haven't seen it, but I HAVE seen a lot of the illiterate comment
that this is the one place they can be themselves.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
That's like not enjoying good art (the Mona Lisa, the Last Supper, the
David) because you've never studied it or seen it.
And, yes, I've seen all 3.
Never had the pleasure of seeming them in RL,
To be friendly for a brief moment, they are AWESOME. I saw the David
before it was attacked by a madman with a hammer. I saw the Mona Lisa
and the LAst Supper, all 3 while in Europe in the "forces".
I wondered why the lines moved so slowly. It took LITERALLY HOURS of
waiting in long lines to get in.
But once I saw those magnificent MASTERPIECES, I understood the word
"masterpiece"; it's a piece done by one of the MASTERS.
And I understood why the lines were so slow. Seeing one of the
masterpieces becomes a religious experience, and one you had come
eye-ball to eye-ball with the David-- the most perfect piece of
sculpture on the planet-- you didn't want to leave its presence.
You stand in awe of ABSOLUTE PERFECTION.
According to the experts, there is no more perfect painting on the
planet than the Mona Lisa. When you see it, from 30 feet away, you
understand.
but I have sold a couple
cartoons and some paintings I've done, but I enjoy working with pen and ink
the most.
Good luck with your art. I have made almost a $ million from mine.
That and salesmanship.
But at my peak, I was one of the higset paid writers in the business.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Don't assume because everyone YOU know is illiterate, that that is ok.
It's not.
oops ...
wait ... my bad ... I forgot who I was talking to ... you've never had
anything intelligent to say.
In which case you have YET to explain why you've become my mascot!
I don't like bullies.
I may be abrasive; I may be confrontive; I am not a bully.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Every time I look over my shoulder, you're gnawing on my shoe!
I don't like bullies.
Then stop reading my posts.
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Actually I've had you killfiled more than once, but I had to reformat
twice
in the last month and haven't gotten around to it again ...
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
Before I got my copy of XP, I had to reformat about twice a month.
That can be a hassle!
Actually I run XP, a router, antivirus, anti-spyware, popup blocker and a
"windows - washer," the first time a file got corrupted and instead of just
reinstalling XP, I figured that I'd reformat and not put on a long list of
software I haven't used in awhile, then, I was less than careful with the
configurations in Window Washer" and it erased my destop settings giving me
a black on black desktop, so I reformated so I could see, and decided I
really needed even less software - just what was necessary to look stuff up,
read email and this group, make midis, and work on my web site -- by the
way, I have changed my website and blog, on the website, I have, at this
time, only midis (although I have spent the last couple days working on a
new composition for Classical guitar and may put the sheet music for my own
compositions back on) and am using the blog to announce new midis and review
music software, books, and DVDs, but, anyway, all is fine now, I'll get
around to killfiling here soon, but I have had my grand daughter to look
after full-time the last two days (only half a day today) and my wife has
started a 4- day weekend -- being an activities director at a children's
home, she had to work all last weekend, so gets double days off this
weekend.
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really should
though, cuts the posts down at least half, it seems, and I may not agree
with everyone else here, but at least, pretty much, everyone else isn't so
disagreeable.
Well, I am sorry for my behavior disorder!
If you were "really sorry" you'd at least consider saving your posts as
drafts while you take a breather and go back and check them out later before
sending.
You don't get it. I am not aware of my "bad behavior" when I am doing
it. Picture someone who is tone deaf who still wants to play the
trumpet in the orchestra. The orchestra gives him permission, but
tells him to "play quietly" so they can drown him out.
Nevertheless he still gets excited and plays more loudly than he
should, and since he is tone deaf, he still can't hear the sour notes.
The ONLY way he knows he's hitting wrong notes is all the frowns he
gets.
The SOLUTION is that if you don't like my posts, don't read them.
If you are going to read them, don't complain about the content.
You may as well tell someone with CP to "stop twitching!"
In the meantime, the solution is simple.
I shall killfile YOU.
EVERYONE has some sort of behavior disorder, just like EVERYBODY
comes from a disfunctional family, the "sin" is not in the "temptation" but
in the giving in to it.
You neither understand nor care to. If you DID understand, you could
EASILY look up bi-polar disorder on the web.
You would rather remain ignorant, assume lots of things wreongly like
the closed-minded, narrow-minded bigot you are (honesty),and throw
rocks at every opportunity,
merely because I'm not as perfect as you believe you are.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
But you know about it by now, so if you keep coming in here and
reading my posts, you are indeed a masochist, and that's not something
*I* can fix.
And I remain unable to put up with the likes of you without giving you
a piece of my mind.
Tact and diplomacy are two 'behavior methods" of which I know little.
Obviously.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I make up for it with brutal truth.
No, you make up for it with bullying.
I prefer my word. It is honest. Your words are a judgement call from a
narrow-minded, closed-minded, bigot who thinks all fundamentalist
Christtians need a lobotomy.
You are killfiled.
jw
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John,
Calm down, but just in case you can't, perhaps you better then give me
the number for 911.
JohnH
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jw
And I have given you yet ANOTHER opportunity to do the Christian thing
and to blame those who DELIBERATLY plagiarize.
You have yet to prove your case.
But you won't do that.
I can't do that until you prove your case.
You're too busy trying to play mind games with me.
Actually, it doesn't keep me too busy, at all.
Only one person I know things you're "cutesy", John.
What? Only one who "things" that? I'd a thought there'd be at least
two.
And I just checked with him, and he dosen't find you "cutesy" either.
He "dosen't"?
I'm hurting, John, but you don't bother to soothe me.
John, don't toy with my emotions. You know how I get.
When did you stop pretending to be a Christian?
When I realized surrendering was better.
You just plant your #10 where everyone else plants theirs!
Some people only understand "tough-love."
Well, mine's a #13, John.
There you go again, comparing mine to yours. (Uh, what are we talking
about here? Never mind, I don't even want to know.)
I thought it was obvious, John H. Get your mind out of the gutter.
Considering that I had to ask, why did your mind conjure up that
proverbial gutter, hmmm?
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When someone threatens to kick your ass, one way of saying it is that
they're going to shove their #10 or #11 up your butt.
I see. So since you're the one who brought shoe-size into this
conversation, then you are admitting to having communicated a threat
here. John, would you mind sharing the number of the FBI with me now?
By all means, John, if you think that's your best course of action.
Call the FBI and be laughed at.
They're busy chasing terrorists and keeping America safe, and you're
going to point to a metaphor as a threat!
John!
you are too big a waste of time and air!
I am trying in my own feeble way, to help people into the kingdom, or
to answer their qusetions from the Bible.
Your favorite sport seems to be kick the handicapped.
you are killfiled.
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John,
Calm down, but just in case you can't, perhaps you better then give me
the number for 911.
JohnH
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jw
And I have given you yet ANOTHER opportunity to do the Christian thing
and to blame those who DELIBERATLY plagiarize.
You have yet to prove your case.
Ah hem. I don't remember ever saying I have anything to prove to you,
John.
Ahem, ahem. But you want me to blame Jim for something as yet
unproven? That's not the way we do things in America, John.
If you were up to doing anything constructive OTHER than blaming me
for World War I and every other evil thing you could think of, you
could have looked at the bottom of his post and seen two of my haikus
typed in paragraph form.
jw
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And yet again you refuse to show a Christian example.
Perhaps were you to give better examples for me to follow?
But I'm the mentally ill, malcontent, am I not?
What's YOUR excuse for REFUSING to set an example?
And you ARE REFUSING to set an example.
For every new "depth" you accuse me of sinking to, you crawl lower in
pointing it out.
To what end?
AGAIN, John H, you have LONG since given up any pretence to being a
Christian as you CONTINUE to seek new "low blows."
This is not a pissing contest, John.
I TRIED to do something for Christ, by posting a scripture passage
that has had meaning for me.
But you don't like me, so you IGNORED that I had tried to do something
positive, and you have been throwing rocks ever since.
Grow up! Take your eyes off me MY faults, John H! Set your eyes back
on Christ, if that is possible for you to do.
You really don't have to look for a "new way to put me in my place."
That is TRULY NOT what this is about; yet if that IS what this is
about for YOU, then I qusetion your basic Christianity.
You CONTINUE to seek ONLY to win a verbal sparring match with a
mentally ill person.
Shame on you!
I had somehow given you more credit than that!
jw
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I have worked in a variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period
as a documentation person, and I LOT of the scientists I worked with--
the best in the field-- were Christians who were commited to
Creationism.
The FACTS of science do not "prove" either creation or evolution. The
FACTS merely state what the world is made of.
Evolution wants us to believe that we can take the finest 17 Jewel
Swiss watch, tear it apart carefully til no two pieces are attached,
put it in a bag, shake it for a million years, open the bag, and we'll
have a reassembled, properly tuned 17 Jewel Swiss watch.
jw, you are really stupid
Actually, I'm not.
And if you were ever to interview me for a technical writing position,
I am betting you would be QUITE impressed with my background.
It includes work for DOD (that's the Department of Defense for you,
the uninitiated), Microsoft, Boeing, GE (Navy), Systems Northwest
(they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), Seattle Silicon
Technology (they/we helped develop the computer you sit at), and a
number of other companies you've probably never heard of.
My point was NOT that *I* am a brilliant scientist, but that I have
WORKED with brilliant scientists.
And you quite apparently did not learn much!
Another "genius" burps.
jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
for a person claiming to "have worked in a
variety of scientific areas over a 20 + year period"! Why do
creationists continually embarrass themselves
And I didn't embarrass myself. Not a little.
jw
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And by the way-- to address your final ridiculoud point however
briefly.
Nowhere does it say that God "snapped His fingers". It says "He
spoke..."
and the world came inuto being.
And if you weren't there-- whether 6 thousand or 6 million or 6
billion years ago when this universe came into being,
yuo have no right to tell me how it happened.
Now THAT IS dumb!
"I wasn't there, but I KNOW what happened!"
Any judge would laugh you out of court!
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Please join me in daily prayer for the victims of this horrible
London bomb terrorist attack that has killed at least 40 and
wounded many others.
Nothing like exploiting that tragedy to forward your own agenda, eh?
Your comment forwards yours, does it not?
jw
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:49:27 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:20:31 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC), "Royal Master"
Do not read the story to avoid dissapointments
Sad that you are so small-minded that you'd assume every else
would have the same negative reaction to my story you did;
that is, if you read it.
jw
Do not care about this troll, John. Who cares about his opinion?
He simply wants to malign the website. He likes to supports
"Christian gays" who say "The Lord is my shepherd and he knows I
am gay" - just imagine.
Love to you, brother in Christ,
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
I have a question for you. Would you post something on your that
claims it is their copyright when it is not?
Not if I knew, Larry. Why? Is there such a thing? I would take it
down at once.
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
Yes Vera, the new site that you posted about John is not his
copyright. The title may be, and his name. But that is all. The
verses that he posted he did not write. Those came from another
author.
Which author, Larry?
I see that it is no longer there though. So that solves the problem
and answers my question.
Yes, I will take it back until this is proved. I cannot find anything
about this story in the internet, so maybe someone might help.
Maybe you wrte me a private e-mail in such a case next time?
Nah! Larry MUCH prefers PUBLIC embarrassment to handling things in a
Christian manner with a private email.
Why do things privately when one can make a fuss PUBLICLY?
Larry, you continue to live beneath my low expectations!
Where went the "peacemaker" you were when you joined the group?
Yes, Larry, that's what you were when I first came to ARCB.
Nothing left of it?
Thanks be to God!
I thought he had you fooled just briefly, Vera!
This place truly is a den of thieves, liars, and murderers.
But we will bless it for Christ, even if we are but a handful.
God bless!
jw
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You decided you preferred to capitulate rather than to be beaten up
for the faith?
jw
Larry
~ vera ~
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~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:53:58 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:49:27 +0200, "~ vera ~"
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:20:31 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:55:28 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC), "Royal Master"
Do not read the story to avoid dissapointments
Sad that you are so small-minded that you'd assume every else
would have the same negative reaction to my story you did;
that is, if you read it.
jw
Do not care about this troll, John. Who cares about his opinion?
He simply wants to malign the website. He likes to supports
"Christian gays" who say "The Lord is my shepherd and he knows
I am gay" - just imagine.
Love to you, brother in Christ,
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
I have a question for you. Would you post something on your that
claims it is their copyright when it is not?
Not if I knew, Larry. Why? Is there such a thing? I would take it
down at once.
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
Yes Vera, the new site that you posted about John is not his
copyright. The title may be, and his name. But that is all. The
verses that he posted he did not write. Those came from another
author.
Which author, Larry?
The author of 2 Kings Vera. When John claimed it as his copyright,
he was claiming the whole page. And he did not write 2 Kings. But
the problem is solved, John has apologized, matter is closed.
Oh, I see - you decide when matters are closed? You start them, and
you close them. Fine.
Yes I do decide when matters are closed as far as I am concerned.
That is so good - that is the same what I do if someone else does not ask
me for my opinion about it to close a matter together. That would be the
Christian way, but you may not have heard of it yet.
EOD
Good thing because you are making a jackass out of yourself Vera.
She learned all she knows on the subject from you, SL.
You just DESPISE us born again Christians, don't you?
God bless!
jw
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:53:58 +0200, "~ vera ~"
Yes I do decide when matters are closed as far as I am concerned.
That is so good - that is the same what I do if someone else does not
ask me for my opinion about it to close a matter together. That would be
the Christian way, but you may not have heard of it yet.
I can't help note how fast you are to anger when you don't get your way.
My but that's fun to watch! I can just see you stomping your foot in
frustration :)
ujibwa
Note, the adult Jim, ever making positive comments, ever trying to
cool the fires, always with something nice to day.
Thanks for more of your always-positive input, Jim.
Jesus continues to be very proud of you.
He has told me you are the apple of His eye.
(not that that matters to you)
jw
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 04:53:58 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 00:49:27 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:20:31 +0200, "~ vera ~"
On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 17:55:28 +0200, "~ vera ~"
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC), "Royal Master"
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Do not read the story to avoid dissapointments
Sad that you are so small-minded that you'd assume every else
would have the same negative reaction to my story you did;
that is, if you read it.
jw
Do not care about this troll, John. Who cares about his opinion?
He simply wants to malign the website. He likes to supports
"Christian gays" who say "The Lord is my shepherd and he knows
I am gay" - just imagine.
Love to you, brother in Christ,
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
I have a question for you. Would you post something on your that
claims it is their copyright when it is not?
Not if I knew, Larry. Why? Is there such a thing? I would take it
down at once.
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
Vera,
Yes Vera, the new site that you posted about John is not his
copyright. The title may be, and his name. But that is all. The
verses that he posted he did not write. Those came from another
author.
Which author, Larry?
The author of 2 Kings Vera. When John claimed it as his copyright,
he was claiming the whole page. And he did not write 2 Kings. But
the problem is solved, John has apologized, matter is closed.
Oh, I see - you decide when matters are closed? You start them, and
you close them. Fine.
I am not sure if this matter is closed for me.
It certainly isn't closed for me.
I made an honest mistake. It was pointed out. I fixed it. But I have
still had to answer some 30 ugly remarks from false accusers who say I
commited some capital crime (punishable by death).
In fact, an honest mistake is NOT plagiarism.
That is true - you did your best! I am proud of you!
It really makes me cry when I see how the Christians towards handicapped
people.
Careful there, Vera! Jesus said we are not known for what we SAY, but
for what we DO about what we say.
When these people take PRIDE for how they mistreat the handicapped--
Elaine has BRAGGED about her OPEN ridicule of the mentally ill-- that
is not Christianity.
I am not fooled. I have been at this Christianity stuff for over 50
years now.
And Jesus is not fooled.
jw
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
The whole concept of "plagiarism" REQUIRES DELIBERATELY using someone
else's words without attribution.
What Elaine has done to me is a PRIME example.
No one has made a stenk about Elaine's plagiarism!
jw
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
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Larry
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I see that it is no longer there though. So that solves the
problem and answers my question.
Yes, I will take it back until this is proved. I cannot find
anything about this story in the internet, so maybe someone might
help.
Maybe you wrte me a private e-mail in such a case next time?
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Larry
~ vera ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/brokenhearts.htm ~
~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
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What Elaine has done to me is a PRIME example.
No one has made a stenk about Elaine's plagiarism!
That's because 'Elaine' has not plagiarized you.
I'm willing to let a judge determine that; how about you?
In the meantime, I am taking steps to have your web page closed down.
I HAVE checked with the owner of your web page, and they do not
tolerate plagiarism.
I suggest you read the rules. You have broken them.
jw
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We knew YOU didn't! This issue concerns John Weatherly. You don't
care
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about John. You hvae made that VERY obvious.
But I still love you.
With YOUR brand of 'love' I'd rather eat rat poison.
We all make choices.
If you choose to eat poison, I can only encourage you.
What a silly thing to say.
Nor have I seen any love from YOU in the past 5 YEARS.
There's an old saying, Elaine. IT goes like this.
What goes around comes around.
The Bible puts it this way.
YOU reap what YOU sew.
jw
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Congradulations!
again the self-proclaimed wordsmith demonstrates his lack of ability
to spell CONGRATulations...............
How sad!
I tried to do something to honor Christ.
I posted a scripture passage that has had special meaning for me.
It's a passage that says basically, "when you feel the whole world
closing in around you,
LOOK UP!
You are not alone!!"
And the small-minded haters and bigots of the world have done nothing
but try every possible way to demean that effort to honor God, merely
because someone they DESPISE has made a mistake in that effort.
As I was taught since my childhood,
"Praise the Lord ANYHOW!"
I wonder if He is honored by the attitudes and actions of these
small-minded bigots.
jw
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On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 05:03:37 +0200, "~ vera ~"
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Not? What did it give you then? Power? The feeling of being right?
More
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
self-esteem by pointing out to the mistakes of others publicly? You
will
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
know. God will know, too.
DO get real
p k
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Basically John is mentally ill. Everything he says or does must be
filtered
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
through that fact.
He should STILL be held accountable for his numerous THREATS.
You WILL be held accountable for your numerous CRIMES.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
Basically John is mentally ill. Everything he says or does must be
filtered
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through that fact.
And don't forget that SL is also mentally ill. She's also in ACUTE
denial, so you must filter all HER remarks through that fact.
jw
and of course, according to you, weatherly, everyone with the good
sense to disagree with you is auto-labeled 'mentally ill' BY you.
Another in your ever growing stack of lies.
jw
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And one of John H's delusions is that anyone cares what he thinks
besides John H.
Many people DO. YOUR problem is, most people don't care about YOUR
ridiculous comments, your sexual fixations and guttermouth.
Hey, Elaine.
read my lips.
you know what I'm going to say. You always claim you do.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And we won't hold our breath waiting for you to realize that you have
become
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
totally obsessed with "proving him wrong".
poor Cathy ..........really dear, don't you have some nice housework
you should be doing?
She's merely commenting, oh hypocrite, that your favorite past time
seems to be harrassing me (illegal).
You have even DEMANDED that others use your "handle", then you REFUSE
To use theirs.
jw
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:31:58 +1100,
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I DO keep a paper trail of what I write.
on a long roll in the bathroom?
THAT WAS
NAUGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know --- but it was ACCURATE, ya gotta admit!!!!!!!!!!!! :o[)
Talk about "potty mouth!"
Your "idea" came right out of the TOILET!
That's sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Christian of you!
jw
Johnnie, I wouldn't line the bottom of a BIRD CAGE with that trash you
call 'writing'.
But you'll slap it all over your web page.
You lying, psychopathic hypocrite.
You DEMANDED that vera remove YOUR writing from HER site, but you
REFUSE to remove mine from yours!
Which is VERY likely why she has refused to remove yours from hers!
jw
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Now kindly explain, coward, why you felt COMPELLED to violate my
copyright?
So, liar John, when are -you- going to explain "why you felt COMPELLED" to steal
a news story written by someone else and call it your own?
I didn't.
Liar.
To call a news story written by someone else "my own" would be to
leave their name off and put mine on as "writer", or "written by."
I left the writer's name ON his piece, and INSTEAD, put mine atop WITH
AN EXPLANATION as the "editor."
Try again, you pathological liar.
jw
Ciao,
Falcon
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
My article, my story, with an accompanying copyright, cannot be
posted
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elsewhere without permission.
nione of your so-called 'articles' or 'stories' were copied by me, and
never would be. You're no writer.
And besides that, I am simply not interested in that crap you call
'writing'.
You god damned liar! If you aren't interested in my "crap", why is so
much of it on your web page?
As far as any "read and heed" goes,
I couldn't care less what you have to say to me other than that you're
taking my writing off your hateful, ridiculous web page.
jw
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| x-no-archive: yes
|
| >
| >
| >
| >< snipped irrelevant lines>
| >
| >>> John,
| >>> I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with
you,
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| >>> you are just not worth the time or effort.
| >>
| >> Larry, what are you doing there?
| >>
| >> What if Jesus might say one day you are not worth the time and
effort?
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| >>
| >> You will be judged like you judge John. Be careful. I am
worrying about
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
| >> you.
| >>
| >>
| >> Peace,
| >>
| >> ~ vera ~
| >
| >And yet it was you that posted on April 2, 2005 this reply to Doc.
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| >> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:32:50 +0200, "~ vera ~"
| >
| >>> If you know all that will happen so well, why do you have to
write
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post
| >>> after post about it? It seems you occupy yourself a little bit
too
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much
| >>> with John. Maybe you should start to have a look at yourself. I
have
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only
| >>> read inflaming from you in the last weeks. It seems you cannot
get
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
over
| >>> yourself.
| >
| >
| >> yup-- your little nemesis has 'taught you' well !
| >
| >
| >
| >You are not worth another line.
| >
| >
| >__________________________________________
| >
| >Have you had a change of heart - or you just double minded?
| >
| >Al (Axel)
| >
|
| Elaine was and is acting in a VERY ugly, VERY unChristian manner.
I
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| was not.
|
|
| jw
| x-no-archive: yes
By the way, I save this for special moments, John H, but this is one
of those.
Go fuck yourself!
jw
good point, galia.............
Oh, Elaine! It's not like you've never heard the words before!
And I'd bet $10 you've used them!
Even if only under your breath!
At LEAST I am HONEST about it.
You haven't had an honest moment in 10 years.
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| >
| >
| >
| >< snipped irrelevant lines>
| >
| >>> John,
| >>> I was going to type out a long response. But to be honest with you,
| >>> you are just not worth the time or effort.
| >>
| >> Larry, what are you doing there?
| >>
| >> What if Jesus might say one day you are not worth the time and effort?
| >>
| >> You will be judged like you judge John. Be careful. I am worrying about
| >> you.
| >>
| >>
| >> Peace,
| >>
| >> ~ vera ~
| >
| >And yet it was you that posted on April 2, 2005 this reply to Doc.
| >_____________________________________________
| >
| >
| >> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:32:50 +0200, "~ vera ~"
| >
| >>> If you know all that will happen so well, why do you have to write
post
| >>> after post about it? It seems you occupy yourself a little bit too
much
| >>> with John. Maybe you should start to have a look at yourself. I have
only
| >>> read inflaming from you in the last weeks. It seems you cannot get
over
| >>> yourself.
| >
| >
| >> yup-- your little nemesis has 'taught you' well !
| >
| >
| >
| >You are not worth another line.
| >
| >
| >__________________________________________
| >
| >Have you had a change of heart - or you just double minded?
| >
| >Al (Axel)
| >
|
| Elaine was and is acting in a VERY ugly, VERY unChristian manner. I
| was not.
|
|
| jw
| x-no-archive: yes
By the way, I save this for special moments, John H, but this is one
of those.
Go fuck yourself!
jw
By the way, I save this for special moments, galia, but this is one
of those.
Go fuck yourself!
jw
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<snipped>
I know something about the subject. I have a BA in Journalism!
If you quote someone, even a SNIP, you MUST attach their name, and you
must get permission.
Funny...you never sought my permission to quote me in your new thread
[John Hennekes: What A HYPOCRITE! Castigates ME for "Plagiarism" But
Ignores Jim's],
You are AGAIN being DELIBERATELY ridiculous.
My, but what big letters you write with, Grandma.
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I don't see a copyright notice attached to each of YOUR posts. There
is a copyright notice attached to each of MY posts.
You said, and I quote, "If you quote someone, even a SNIP, you MUST
attach their name, and you must get permission." Absolutely no mention
of "copyright notice" to be seen.
You are back to playing quibble quibble toddler games.
When you decide to be an adult for a change, get back to me.
The topic -- my copyright being violated-- didn't change simply
becuase you want to play word games.
AGAIN, John, explain to me please, how this behavior of yours honors
Christ.
I say it doesn't.
And I say that that LONG ago stopped even being a consideration in
your mind.
Pharisee, hypocrite.
child.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And the quotes DO embarrass me, since you took them out of context,
WITHOUT PERMISSION, WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION, TO EMBARRASS ME.
then stop making such a public menace of yourself, weatherly.
BEHAVE YOURSELF for one week
show me how.
Behave yourself for one day.
I also do not live to live by YOUR standards, whatever they may be.
and I'll remove your trash.
Lie.
jw
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
evangelize the lost.
Yeah, well, it's interesting that he often decides who is "lost" based
on who stands up to his lies and whining in non-religious newsgroups.
That's right, argue with him on some technical topic and he considers
you "lost" without any knowledge at all of your religious convictions.
Also, I doubt very much that God approves of off-topic posts to
newsgroups.
You certainly have the right to your POV. Does John have the right to
HIS?
jw
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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 23:19:06 -0700,
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
You could also killfile him.
Sorry, not possible. He doesn't use a single username to post
from. See <http://macconsult.com/identities> for the large
number of posting identities that Mr. Wolf uses (and continues
to create).
For this reason, it is also not possible to "ignore" posts from
him, because he simply creates additional identities.
No doubt you think it is very Christian of him to disrupt ongoing
business in other newsgroups.
You falsely accuse me. I believe I have stated very clearly that this
is one area in which John and I disagree.
I have also stated that I have voiced my disapproval to John, which is
all I can do.
He feels very strongly that he should be posting to your group, and so
I have left it with God.
That is all I can do.
I suggest that you do what I have done. Study his style enough that
you can recognize him from his opening words, say the first paragraph.
Once you recognize that it is John's post, move on.
And I am sorry if John sees this post and gets upset with me about it,
but I remain convinced that he is doing more harm than good in your
group, and I have said as much to him.
He IS an adult, and so he can decide these things for himself.
Charlatan!
Boy, can some people leap to the wrong conclusions!
I am on YOUR side on this one!
Have a nice day, and God bless!
jw
Beverly
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 12:59:38 GMT, Bible Bob
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 01:24:23 GMT, Bible Bob
On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 13:16:57 -0700, Bible John
Writing apologetics, exegetical, theological, and topical bible messages
is getting to be too complex for one person, especially the non ministry
type messages. This is only 4 catagories of messages, and I have not
even mentioned missional. If either of you have been to a christian
college, bible college or seminary you will be able to distinguish the
differences in style between the different types of messages.
Looking at my website you will see that I have not published any
THEOLOGICAL messages yet. I'd like too but have not had the time.
Perhaps one of you could assist me with these weekly bible
messages/studies, and your work will be published on my website with
your name on it. I am thinking that I could use an extra hand on the
theological and exegetical messages/studies, while I focus ONLY on the
apologetics studies and ministry topical (daily christian living
studies). For my Church Education ministries major I seem best
qualified in such areas. Although I can write excellent theological
messages, I have more study in the ministry and apologetics area.
Let me know what you think, and if you are not John Weatherly or Uncle
Davey I must first test you to see if you are not of a cult, and that
you know what you are talking about.
Some ideas for future studies.
Theology
Theology of calling
Theology of Hell
Theology of the Sabbath
Cessationalism?
Do animals go to heaven?
Theology of Fasting
Easy believism
dispensationalism
Lordship Salvation
Soul Sleep
Bible
Exegesis on the Fall of Lucifer
exegesis on 2 Tim 3:1-9
exegesis on Matt 6:25-34
Apologetgics
Evolution
Seventh Day Adventistism
Other cults
For more ideas seek out apologist Hank Hanegraaf
Ministry
Phil of Small groups
The Emerging Church
Bible translations
Other random ministry topics. For ideas seek Pastor Joel Osteen, Chip
Ingram, Fred Wilson, or other such ministry preachers.
John,
Looks to me from what you wrote that you need God's help.
The more you post, BB, the more you prove that you know NOTHING about
real Christianity.
While I would not suggest to John that this group is the best place to
"mine" for help, it is certainly scriptural for Christians to ask
other Christians to help in their time of need.
"Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find; knock, and the
door will be opened for you."
And like it,
'You do not have because you do not ask."
jw
snip
jw,
What I wrote was not mean or wrong but loving and kind. Read the
whole thing, not just the first line. If you think it is wrong for a
Christian to ask for God's help, then I think you might want to learn
and apply what I wrote to John.
Looks to me from what you wrote that you need God's help.
as you have reverted back to your posting to me in KJV misbehavior, I
leave you.
jw
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You lost me at "I happen to be a Jeff Foxworthy fan." I've never seen
those words in that order before.
Why tell me you have no SOH?
He's sold a lot of records!
And the networks thought he was funny enough that he had his own
sitcom.
jw
Dave
2005-07-10 03:00:58 UTC
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary
theory big enough to drive Mack trucks through with room
to spare.
I'll take that action. bring it on.
Well, here's a shock: Our resident genius and professional writer has
failed to respond to this.

Just what the world needs--another Christian fraud.
jw <jw@yoo.hoo>
2005-07-10 12:45:46 UTC
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary
theory big enough to drive Mack trucks through with room
to spare.
I'll take that action. bring it on.
Well, here's a shock: Our resident genius and professional writer has
failed to respond to this.
Just what the world needs--another Christian fraud.
I am not in this world to live up to your expectations.

In fact, I am being faithful to my beliefs as I understand them.

Jesus taught us to "do not throw your pearls (words of wisdom) to the
pigs."

I save myself for those who express sincere interest. I leave the
pissing contests to the children,

and it TRULY doesn't matter to me WHAT you think.

It IS nice for you that you are so easily amused.



jw
Dave
2005-07-10 17:52:14 UTC
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Post by h***@gmail.com
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary
theory big enough to drive Mack trucks through with room
to spare.
I'll take that action. bring it on.
Well, here's a shock: Our resident genius and professional
writer has failed to respond to this.
Just what the world needs--another Christian fraud.
I am not in this world to live up to your expectations.
No one expects you to live up to my "expectations," but the standards
that you set for yourself. You claimed that you were educated enough
to drive large holes through evolutionary theory. Okay, that's one of
two or three areas of expertise that I possess, so I challenged you to
prove that. It doesn't surprise me at all that you can't, so guess
what? YOu *did* live up to my expectations--or live down to them--even
though you really aren't expected to. We can see that it was just
another of your empty boasts.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
In fact, I am being faithful to my beliefs as I understand
them.
Jesus taught us to "do not throw your pearls (words of wisdom)
to the pigs."
Such loving Christians as yourself routinele use that passage to insult
your challengers and dodge the challenges at the same time.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
I save myself for those who express sincere interest. I
leave the pissing contests to the children...
30 years of study in the sciences and in history and religion would be
a pretty fair indicator of "sincere interest," but you didn't know that
and you didn't ask. You simply presumed it so that you could dodge the
challenge. How much more effective would it be to demonstrate this
massive knowledge of yours and put me in my place? But now, if you'd
rather appear to be an evasive, lying coward...
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
and it TRULY doesn't matter to me WHAT you think.
You keep telling people this, and in a way, it's true. But in Usenet,
what we have is credibility--and that's all. When you consistently
refuse to back up anything you claim and fall back on excuses and
hostility, that doesn't leave you much in the Credibility Department.
Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
It IS nice for you that you are so easily amused.
And exposing phonies like you performs a service of sorts.
jw <jw@yoo.hoo>
2005-07-11 03:32:30 UTC
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary
theory big enough to drive Mack trucks through with room
to spare.
I'll take that action. bring it on.
Well, here's a shock: Our resident genius and professional
writer has failed to respond to this.
Just what the world needs--another Christian fraud.
I am not in this world to live up to your expectations.
No one expects you to live up to my "expectations," but the standards
that you set for yourself. You claimed that you were educated enough
to drive large holes through evolutionary theory.
As I have said, and you continue to fail to grasp, oh so wise one, I
see NO point in wasting X amount of energy whipping it out and
comparing sizes with you-- not my thing-- when I can BETTEr spend my
finite energy on talking with people who are SINCERELY interested...

I can READILY see you are not, that that you are MERELY interested in
a "challenge".

My FACTS vs YOUR FACTS.

I don't do those.

So get over yourself and find someone to debate who debates.

jw

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Mike Painter
2005-07-11 04:31:48 UTC
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As I have said, and you continue to fail to grasp, oh so wise one, I
see NO point in wasting X amount of energy whipping it out and
comparing sizes with you-- not my thing-- when I can BETTEr spend my
finite energy on talking with people who are SINCERELY interested...
Translation:
I'll only talk with people that agree with me.
The idea of objectivity is not in my nature.
Grinder
2005-07-11 18:13:17 UTC
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary
theory big enough to drive Mack trucks through with room
to spare.
I'll take that action. bring it on.
Well, here's a shock: Our resident genius and professional
writer has failed to respond to this.
Just what the world needs--another Christian fraud.
I am not in this world to live up to your expectations.
No one expects you to live up to my "expectations," but the standards
that you set for yourself. You claimed that you were educated enough
to drive large holes through evolutionary theory.
As I have said, and you continue to fail to grasp, oh so wise one, I
see NO point in wasting X amount of energy whipping it out and
comparing sizes with you-- not my thing-- when I can BETTEr spend my
finite energy on talking with people who are SINCERELY interested...
I can READILY see you are not, that that you are MERELY interested in
a "challenge".
My FACTS vs YOUR FACTS.
I don't do those.
So get over yourself and find someone to debate who debates.
Since it's an open forum, people other than you and Dave would likely
read your exchange. Those same people now can only see that you're
willing to boast, but not back it up.
Dave
2005-07-12 01:00:59 UTC
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jw wrote:

Snip rant

Your claim was that you are so educated that you could provide "holes"
in evolutionary theory through which one could drive a Mack truck.
You've made similar claims in the past, as well as other claims,
boasting of your intellectual proclivities and yet, every time, when
challenged, you make excuses such as we see here and then you run.

I won't bother asking you to explain the point of boasting as you do
and then running as you do as soon as one of your boasts is challenged.
It's pretty clear to me: You've got nothing. You're a coward, and a
liar, and a fraud.

Have a nice day.
Nymm
2005-07-10 14:36:22 UTC
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Post by jw <***@yoo.hoo>
And I am educated enough to poke holes in evolutionary
theory big enough to drive Mack trucks through with room
to spare.
I'll take that action. bring it on.
Well, here's a shock: Our resident genius and professional writer has
failed to respond to this.
Just what the world needs--another Christian fraud.
John is not the only Christian.

Here are some holes in evolutionary theory:

1. the origin of chlorophyll - why didn't it kill the cell in which it
appeared?
2. why are there so many gaps between kinds in the fossil record?
3. why are there fossils that go across geological time bands?
4. why did evolutionists need to perpetrate frauds such as the piltdown man
hoax?
5. why did the Java man fossils get bundled away when scientists started to
treat them with skepticism?
6. why is there no relationship between genetic similarity of races and
linguistic similarities?
7. why is plasma closer to fresh than salt water?
8. why are there so few fossils bearing in mind that life has been going on
for so long according to your theories, and yet when there are some there
are often a lot of them together?
9. if all the dinosaurs were killed by the iridium layer and the K/T event,
then why didn't crocodiles, turtles and snakes also die out at the same
time?
10 if life evolved on this planet, in a virtually infinite universe, over
almost infinite time, then why is it that we haven't had contact from other
planets? Isn't that infinitely impossible?
11. how could the first strand of working replicable DNA appear inside a
semi-permeable membrane without help?
12. why is there no other species that can contemplate the meaning of
meaning?

Kindly "take the action" of these twelve questions.

\Nymm\
Libertarius
2005-07-10 16:10:43 UTC
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1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one single evidence
for the first human having been sculpted out of mud and
made alive by blowing air into his nose, as described in
Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence for the ET
thus described? -- L.
z***@hotmail.com
2005-07-10 16:25:15 UTC
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Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one single evidence
for the first human having been sculpted out of mud and
made alive by blowing air into his nose, as described in
Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence for the ET
thus described? -- L.
Well, Adam eventually died.
Libertarius
2005-07-10 19:05:07 UTC
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Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one single evidence
for the first human having been sculpted out of mud and
made alive by blowing air into his nose, as described in
Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence for the ET
thus described? -- L.
Well, Adam eventually died.
===>How is that responsive to the points made?
z***@hotmail.com
2005-07-11 10:50:28 UTC
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Post by Libertarius
Post by z***@hotmail.com
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one single evidence
for the first human having been sculpted out of mud and
made alive by blowing air into his nose, as described in
Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence for the ET
thus described? -- L.
Well, Adam eventually died.
===>How is that responsive to the points made?
Sorry my mistake:
First point; Adam died! Therefore he decayed! Therefore he turned to
dust (still with me?) or the clay from whence he came. Therefore we
cannot produce physical evidence of his existence six thousand years
ago.
Second point; L. Ron Hubbard, Mormons, and Hitler (Aryans) believe
this, not Christians or creationists. However, in light of how the
question is offered, see "First point"!

Tell me, what do you think Ol' Honest Abe looks like now? Or, did he
not exist either?

You know, when people say, "They broke the mold when he was made.", it
really is just an expression. There is no mold ;) There are no blue
prints, sketches, drawings, plans, notes, or recipe. Suddenly life
appeared and here we are! Just like scripture says.
Dave
2005-07-10 18:46:14 UTC
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Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one single
evidence for the first human having been sculpted out of
mud and made alive by blowing air into his nose, as described in
Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence for the ET
thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none, zero, zilch,
nada. Never have had any. So their strategy has been to try to find
"holes" in "evolutionary theory" (which they usually don't understand
or misrepresent) and presume that, for some reason, each of those
individual "holes" somehow falsifies "the theory," though they can also
never quite explain how that is.

The "professional" creationists lie and deceive the flock. The members
of the flock simply parrot their comments without having much
understanding of them or the concepts behind them.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-10 18:57:55 UTC
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Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one single
evidence for the first human having been sculpted out of
mud and made alive by blowing air into his nose, as described in
Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence for the ET
thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none, zero, zilch,
nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
Post by Dave
So their strategy has been to try to find "holes"
in "evolutionary theory"
There are major holes.
Post by Dave
(which they usually don't understand or misrepresent)
Yes, we know. Anyone who doesn't believe it, just
doesn't understand it. Typical evolutionist lie.

"We're smart and you're dumb, so just shut up
and believe us".

The fact is, that while you claim that Creationists
only try to find holes in evolution, the reality is,
that you just spent your time trying to punch holes
in Creationism, with silly lame insult, rather than
proving macroevolution.

If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it. Yet that
is something that NEVER HAPPENS.

Prove macroevolution. You can't. And don't try
to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to YOUR
claims.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Dave
2005-07-10 19:17:42 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
Actually, it's a statement of fact. If you have any evidence, by all
means, present it.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
So their strategy has been to try to find "holes"
in "evolutionary theory"
There are major holes.
Such as...?
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
(which they usually don't understand or misrepresent)
Yes, we know.
No, you don't. In fact, you, as much as anyone, has shown that you're
completely clueless.
Post by Pastor Dave
Anyone who doesn't believe it, just
doesn't understand it.
Sound familiar? Christians use that all the time. But the fact is
that, in the case of science, it's true, and in the case of evolution,
it's true.
Post by Pastor Dave
Typical evolutionist lie.
A lie is a deliberate deception. Show that I lied. Show that I *know*
something other than what I said, and that I said it, anyway.
Post by Pastor Dave
"We're smart and you're dumb, so just shut up
and believe us".
"We know, and you don't." There's a difference. Sophists like you
like to try to turn that into rhetoric. "They say you don't know, so
you're stupid." No, we say "you don't know, so you're ignorant."
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, that's all. And no one is telling
you to shut up and believe. *Christians* (including self-ordained
"pastors" like you) do that. Science says, "present your evidence,"
which is pretty much what I've done here. If you have evidence,
present it.
Post by Pastor Dave
The fact is, that while you claim that Creationists
only try to find holes in evolution, the reality is,
that you just spent your time trying to punch holes
in Creationism...
I did? I just responded to the first of many points that are alleged
"holes in evolution" and, among other things, asked for more
information. I guess you didn't bother to read the thread.

Punching holes in creationism is pretty difficult because creationism
is all but air-tight; but that's not a good thing. There is no
evidence for creationism and the harmonizations and excuses that
creationists make for the flaws in the "theory" take it outside the
realm of theory and science. Now, frankly, that's fine with me. I've
always been one of those "if that's what you want to believe" kinda
folks. Just don't call it science. It isn't. It isn't reality and it
isn't applicable in the real world. Evolution is. Deal.
Post by Pastor Dave
...with silly lame insult...
What was the "insult?" That there's no evidence? If that's such an
insult and if it's so wrong, present your evidence.
Post by Pastor Dave
...rather than proving macroevolution.
Tell me your definition of "macroevolution."
Post by Pastor Dave
If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it.
I would? I wasn't challenged to do that. I was challenged to answer
12 points that were alleged "holes" in evolutionary theory. Do you
want to debate the evidence for macroevolution?
Post by Pastor Dave
Yet that is something that NEVER HAPPENS.
Since macroevolution is a term that is used (in science) to refer to
changes in populations of organisms at or above the species level, the
fact is that macroevolution is relatively common.
Post by Pastor Dave
Prove macroevolution. You can't. And don't try
to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to YOUR
claims.
No, you are not. The claim to which you are responding is that
creationism has no evidence, and you are not presenting evidence or
making any form of rebuttal. You've tried to turn the tables, already.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-10 20:58:47 UTC
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Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
Actually, it's a statement of fact.
It is a claim, not proof.
Post by Dave
If you have any evidence, by all means, present it.
Not my job. I'm not the one making claims.
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
So their strategy has been to try to find "holes"
in "evolutionary theory"
There are major holes.
Such as...?
You already know what they are and if you
so detest people simply punching holes in
macroevolution, then why do you ask for
the information?
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
(which they usually don't understand or misrepresent)
Yes, we know.
No, you don't.
Yes, we do.
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Anyone who doesn't believe it, just
doesn't understand it.
Sound familiar?
Yes, I hear it all the time from evolutionists.
Post by Dave
Christians use that all the time.
According to you, that would be proper,
if it is simply faith and nothing else. You
however, have a scientific burden of proof,
since you claim your belief is science.
Thus, it is by your own words that you
are forced into the position of providing
scientific proof.
Post by Dave
But the fact is that, in the case of science,
it's true, and in the case of evolution, it's true.
You have just made a truth claim. Now prove it.
--
Pastor Dave

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Dave
2005-07-10 21:32:50 UTC
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Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
Actually, it's a statement of fact.
It is a claim, not proof.
I can play this game, too: It's a statement of fact. If you want to
dispute it, present your evidence.
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If you have any evidence, by all means, present it.
Not my job. I'm not the one making claims.
Oh, but you did.
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So their strategy has been to try to find "holes"
in "evolutionary theory"
There are major holes.
Such as...?
You already know what they are...
The strategy of a coward: "You already know." No, I don't know. I
don't read minds, especially those as shallow as yours. Now, you
obviously had something in mind when *you* made *your* claim (see
above...are you sure you didn't make any claims?) about the holes.
Tell me what you think they are.
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...and if you so detest people simply punching holes
in macroevolution...
Nobody's done that yet! They've only claimed that they are there. At
least Nymm (sp?} *tried* by giving me a list. You haven't even done
*that*.
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...then why do you ask for the information?
I'm asking *you* to support *your* claim.

Look, I know about you. You're an ignorant, arrogant asshole who pops
around trying to play these little games while hiding behind a phony
religious credential, "pastor," but I don't play. Either present your
evidence or shut the hell up.
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(which they usually don't understand or misrepresent)
Yes, we know.
No, you don't.
Yes, we do.
Fine. Show me.
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Anyone who doesn't believe it, just
doesn't understand it.
Sound familiar?
Yes, I hear it all the time from evolutionists.
I hear it all the time from fundamentalists. The difference is that
evolutionists can present evidence for evolution. It's not complete
and it's not perfect because *it's* *science*, and science, being a
human construct, is inherently flawed--so is religion, actually.
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Christians use that all the time.
According to you, that would be proper,
if it is simply faith and nothing else.
I don't think it's *ever* proper, so I'll decide what's "according to"
me.
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You however, have a scientific burden of proof,
since you claim your belief is science.
Thus, it is by your own words that you
are forced into the position of providing
scientific proof.
There is no such thing as "scientific proof," and you've been told that
before.
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But the fact is that, in the case of science,
it's true, and in the case of evolution, it's true.
You have just made a truth claim. Now prove it.
What, exactly, do you expect me to "prove?"

By the way, where's the rest of my post? Nothing to say to it, you
dishonest, arrogant ass? Let's put it back:

[Restored portion]
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Typical evolutionist lie.
A lie is a deliberate deception. Show that I lied. Show that I *know*
something other than what I said, and that I said it, anyway.
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"We're smart and you're dumb, so just shut up
and believe us".
"We know, and you don't." There's a difference. Sophists like you
like to try to turn that into rhetoric. "They say you don't know, so
you're stupid." No, we say "you don't know, so you're ignorant."
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, that's all. And no one is telling
you to shut up and believe. *Christians* (including self-ordained
"pastors" like you) do that. Science says, "present your evidence,"
which is pretty much what I've done here. If you have evidence,
present it.
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The fact is, that while you claim that Creationists
only try to find holes in evolution, the reality is,
that you just spent your time trying to punch holes
in Creationism...
I did? I just responded to the first of many points that are alleged
"holes in evolution" and, among other things, asked for more
information. I guess you didn't bother to read the thread.

Punching holes in creationism is pretty difficult because creationism
is all but air-tight; but that's not a good thing. There is no
evidence for creationism and the harmonizations and excuses that
creationists make for the flaws in the "theory" take it outside the
realm of theory and science. Now, frankly, that's fine with me. I've
always been one of those "if that's what you want to believe" kinda
folks. Just don't call it science. It isn't. It isn't reality and it
isn't applicable in the real world. Evolution is. Deal.
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...with silly lame insult...
What was the "insult?" That there's no evidence? If that's such an
insult and if it's so wrong, present your evidence.
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...rather than proving macroevolution.
Tell me your definition of "macroevolution."
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If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it.
I would? I wasn't challenged to do that. I was challenged to answer
12 points that were alleged "holes" in evolutionary theory. Do you
want to debate the evidence for macroevolution?
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Yet that is something that NEVER HAPPENS.
Since macroevolution is a term that is used (in science) to refer to
changes in populations of organisms at or above the species level, the
fact is that macroevolution is relatively common.
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Prove macroevolution. You can't. And don't try
to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to YOUR
claims.
No, you are not. The claim to which you are responding is that
creationism has no evidence, and you are not presenting evidence or
making any form of rebuttal. You've tried to turn the tables, already.


[End restored portion]

No clever quips? No way around these things, "pastor?"

I *proved* that it was you making claims, as well, and here we see that
you are too cowardly to answer for them. I can't teach evolution or
provide all of the evidence for evolution in a single post or even a
series of posts in a single day, but I have at least made a start.
*You*, playing your usual games of selective snippage, ducked a very
simple challenge: If you have evidence, present it. You didn't
bother.

You're gonna be a slam dunk, "pastor." Welcome to the cross hairs.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-10 23:37:27 UTC
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Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
Actually, it's a statement of fact.
It is a claim, not proof.
I can play this game, too: It's a statement of fact. If you want to
dispute it, present your evidence.
The typical evolutionist game. Claim that
Creationism is garbage and that evolution
is a fact and when challenged, claim it is
the other person's responsibility.
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...then why do you ask for the information?
I'm asking *you* to support *your* claim.
I didn't make a claim, son. I responded
to your claim. But you knew that.

If evolution is so easily proved, why do
you continue to dodge me?
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Look, I know about you. You're an ignorant, arrogant asshole who pops
around trying to play these little games while hiding behind a phony
religious credential, "pastor," but I don't play. Either present your
evidence or shut the hell up.
And this folks, is the premier showing
of the entirety of the evolutionists
argument for evolution.

They claim it's a fact and that creationists always
dodge requests for proof and then when they
make a truth claim, as demonstrated below,
they pretend that the creationist is the one who
made the claim and then do the very same thing
that they claim the creationist is guilty of and this
is the evidence they offer for their position.

They claim that all creationists do, is try to punch
holes in evolution and they claim to hate that
about creationists.

They make a truth claim, that evolution is a fact,
unlike creationism.

When someone responds to their claim, they
demand that the creationist try to punch holes
in evolution. The very thing they say we shouldn't
be doing.

Then they claim that the creationist is the one
playing a game.

Can you say, "hypocrite"?
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But the fact is that, in the case of science,
it's true, and in the case of evolution, it's true.
You have just made a truth claim. Now prove it.
What, exactly, do you expect me to "prove?"
See what I mean, folks? He claimed that
what he believes is true. That is a "truth claim".
That puts the burden of proof on him, especially
since I didn't make any claims. I responded
to his claim. Now, when this is pointed out
to him, he wishes to pretend that he has no idea
what it is that he should be proving.

Gee, maybe it's the same thing you said
was true and is a fact? DUH!

The fact is, if someone actually didn't know
what they should be proving, then does it
make sense for them to claim that it is true?

<chuckle>

You made a truth claim. You even used the
word, "truth". Can you back it up, or not?
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

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Dave
2005-07-11 00:02:44 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 14:32:50 -0700, "Dave"
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Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
Actually, it's a statement of fact.
It is a claim, not proof.
I can play this game, too: It's a statement of fact.
If you want to dispute it, present your evidence.
The typical evolutionist game. Claim that
Creationism is garbage...
I wrote that there is no evidence for creationism.
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...and that evolution is a fact and when challenged,
claim it is the other person's responsibility.
Creationism has no evidence. That is the statement that I made that
you decided to "challenge," by telling me that *I* had to "prove"
whatever it is you think is "macroevolution."

The easiest way to show that I am in error is to present evidence for
creationism. I say there isn't any. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to
"prove" that, since it is a negative statement. Regardless, you ducked
away from that, even though it would be the most effective way to show
me up. If there's evidence, present it.
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...then why do you ask for the information?
I'm asking *you* to support *your* claim.
I didn't make a claim, son.
I'm not your son. Odds are, I'm older than you. I can guarantee that
I'm more intelligent and better educated.
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I responded to your claim. But you knew that.
You responded to "there is no evidence for creationism." If you want
to effectively counter that, present some evidence. That should be
real easy, but you are avoiding it.
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If evolution is so easily proved, why do
you continue to dodge me?
I didn't dodge you. I exposed your dishonest tactic.
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Look, I know about you. You're an ignorant, arrogant
asshole who pops around trying to play these little games
while hiding behind a phony religious credential, "pastor,"
but I don't play. Either present your evidence or shut
the hell up.
And this folks, is the premier showing
of the entirety of the evolutionists
argument for evolution.
Uh, no, folks, it isn't. It's a human being letting an asshole know
the ground rules.


Snip speech.
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But the fact is that, in the case of science,
it's true, and in the case of evolution, it's
true.
You have just made a truth claim. Now prove it.
What, exactly, do you expect me to "prove?"
See what I mean, folks? He claimed that
what he believes is true. That is a "truth claim".
That puts the burden of proof on him, especially
since I didn't make any claims.
That's actually a lie. You *did* make claims--both explicit and
implicit.

The challenge is for you top define your terms so I can respond to
them. If you're too stupid to see that, you're too stupid to be
allowed to breathe. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done
about that, so I'll just have to demolish you in the threads.
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I responded to his claim.
No, you didn't. You presented *no* evidence for creationism.
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Now, when this is pointed out to him, he wishes
to pretend that he has no idea what it is that he
should be proving.
There is no pretense. I don't read minds. But you are too afraid to
give me specifics to work with. Don't worry. My patience only extends
so far. If you don't come up with specifics, *I* will...and you'll be
exposed even further.

You'll probably even run, like you always do.
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Gee, maybe it's the same thing you said
was true and is a fact? DUH!
Evolution is a fact and there is no evidence for creationism.
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The fact is, if someone actually didn't know
what they should be proving, then does it
make sense for them to claim that it is true?
Evolution is a vast and complicated subject, usually far beyond the
meager thinking skills of someone like you. To simplify matters,
especially given your record of lies and dishonest, it is my considered
belief that getting you to point out a specific point of contention
that you have with a specific piece of evidence is the best way to go
about it. You know that, of course, so you'll dodge. You won't
provide any specifics, you won't give me anything to address, and since
I have no intention of taking the time or the effort to explain the
whole of evolutionary science--a science so encompassing that whole
libraries and fields of study are dedicated to it--to you.

I'm not going to pick something at random that you can wave off.
You've already tried to do that when I exposed your evasions and when I
asked you to define "macroevolution."

Show me what you've got. I'm not impressed so far, "christian."
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You made a truth claim. You even used the
word, "truth". Can you back it up, or not?
Ready whenever you are.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 00:29:33 UTC
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Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
Actually, it's a statement of fact.
It is a claim, not proof.
I can play this game, too: It's a statement of fact.
If you want to dispute it, present your evidence.
The typical evolutionist game. Claim that
Creationism is garbage...
I wrote that there is no evidence for creationism.
You wrote that evolution is true, We both know that
means molecule to man. Can you back that up or not?

And don't act like an idiot and say that I'm claiming
that one molecule became man as the next step.

I am going to make this simple for you. I am going
to start a new thread, title...

"DAVE VS PASTOR DAVE: IS MACROEVOLUTION TRUE?"

Catch ya there. :)
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

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Dave
2005-07-11 01:40:07 UTC
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I wrote that there is no evidence for creationism.
You wrote that evolution is true.
That came later, and, in fact, came *after* your claim about "major
holes. See
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/free.christians/msg/691868d6d25c0691?hl=en&
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We both know that means molecule to man.
Is this your definition of "macroevolution?" Come on, tough guy,
commit to something.
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Can you back that up or not?
I can back up that evolution occurred. I can back up that evolution is
a fact. I can back up a lot of things. What can *you* back up. What
about those "major holes?"
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And don't act like an idiot and say that I'm
claiming that one molecule became man as the
next step.
No, but "molecule to man" is a gross over-simplication of a vastly
complex series of steps and processes and side-roads and dead-ends.
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I am going to make this simple for you. I am going
to start a new thread, title...
"DAVE VS PASTOR DAVE: IS MACROEVOLUTION TRUE?"
I read it. You listed a series of rules that were not negotiable *and*
you cross-posted it into other groups not currently involved in the
discussion. You did that without consulting me. My response to you is
twofold:

1. Get over yourself.

2. Kiss my ass.
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Catch ya there. :)
See item #2 above.

You're goin' down.
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2005-07-10 21:47:34 UTC
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If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it.
I would? I wasn't challenged to do that. I was
challenged to answer 12 points that were alleged "holes"
in evolutionary theory. Do you want to debate the
evidence for macroevolution?
No answer from "Pastor" Dave. The *last* think he wants to do is
debate the details, or even the definition.
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Yet that is something that NEVER HAPPENS.
Since macroevolution is a term that is used (in science)
to refer to changes in populations of organisms at or above
the species level, the fact is that macroevolution is
relatively common.
"Pastor" Dave is a sophist, and he saw this one for what it was--bait.
I have multiple examples of speciation and evolutionary events in
recent history and he knows it, so he won't touch this with a ten-foot
pole. That there is evidence for these events is also know, and I can
cite numerous scholarly works that provide the details. He knows that,
too.
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Prove macroevolution. You can't. And don't try
to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to YOUR
claims.
No, you are not. The claim to which you are responding
is that creationism has no evidence...
This is every important. "Pastor" Dave responded to my statement that
creationism has no evidence. That is not just a claim, it is a
statement of fact, so much so that quite a few "professional"
creationists have accepted it (if only reluctantly) and have limited
themselves to rather futile and generally ignorant and dishonest
attacks on evolution and evolutionary evidence.

If I say that there is no evidence for creationism, that's a negative
statement. However, it is based on literally decades of study in
biology, with associated study in multiple other sciences as well as
intimate familiarity with creationism (I used to be a creationist).
Every piece of alleged "evidence" having to do with creationism was not
evidence *for* creationism, per se, so much as it was a criticism of
some piece of evolutionary evidence or history. There is *no* evidence
that the Earth was created in six 24-hour days, there is *no* evidence
that the Earth and universe are in the realm of 50,000 years old or
less, and there is *no* evidence for the Flood. Even creationists who
were actually scientists and had to deal with this issue rejected most
of those precepts in the 19th Century (see, for example, "The Freezing
of Noah," an essay in "The Flamingo's Smile," by S.J. Gould).

The challenge is simple: If there is evidence for creationism, present
it. We can talk about it. "Pastor" Dave can rant and rave and try to
waste my time with a lot of meandering talk, but I know about him and
won't be nice to him when he plays that. I don't have time to be
diplomatic with assholes. Anyone else who wants to *discuss* it, hey,
I'm all about that. Let's talk.
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...and you are not presenting evidence or making any form
of rebuttal. You've tried to turn the tables, already.
And failed
Pastor Dave
2005-07-10 23:41:08 UTC
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If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it.
I would? I wasn't challenged to do that. I was
challenged to answer 12 points that were alleged "holes"
in evolutionary theory. Do you want to debate the
evidence for macroevolution?
No answer from "Pastor" Dave. The *last* think he wants to do is
debate the details, or even the definition.
I would debate the supposed evidence with
you any time. You are the one who said you
don't know what it is you should be proving,
after claiming it is true. The burden of proof
is on you, son. Prove macroevolution is true.
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The challenge is simple: If there is evidence
for creationism, present it.
1) How does debating the evidence for evolution,
equate to me providing evidence for creationism?

2) How does you backing up your claim that
macroevolution is a fact, equate to a challenge
that I have to meet?

3) Why is it that when your statement is challenged,
you try to turn the tables? If what you believe is
so true, then it shouldn't matter what I say, You
should be able to prove it.

4) I responded to your claim, not the other way
around, so you are being dishonest.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Dave
2005-07-11 00:06:49 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 14:47:34 -0700, "Dave"
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If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it.
I would? I wasn't challenged to do that. I was
challenged to answer 12 points that were alleged "holes"
in evolutionary theory. Do you want to debate the
evidence for macroevolution?
No answer from "Pastor" Dave. The *last* think he wants to do is
debate the details, or even the definition.
I would debate the supposed evidence with
you any time. You are the one who said you
don't know what it is you should be proving,
after claiming it is true. The burden of proof
is on you, son.
I'm not your son, asshole.
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Prove macroevolution is true.
What am I proving? Make a commitment. Define "macroevolution."
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The challenge is simple: If there is evidence
for creationism, present it.
1) How does debating the evidence for evolution,
equate to me providing evidence for creationism?
The original comment that drew you into this thread was my statement
that there is no evidence for creationism. *You* tried to divert away
from that, because you *know* that there's no evidence for creationism.
Post by Pastor Dave
2) How does you backing up your claim that
macroevolution is a fact, equate to a challenge
that I have to meet?
See above.
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3) Why is it that when your statement is challenged,
you try to turn the tables?
You're a liar. I didn't turn the tables--*you* did. See my response
to item #1.
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If what you believe is so true, then it shouldn't
matter what I say...
Trust me, "son," it doesn't.
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You should be able to prove it.
Define what you think "macroevolution" is so that we have a starting
point and you can't squirm away later, whining that you were misquoted
or something you claimed was, in fact, not what you claimed.
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4) I responded to your claim, not the other way
around, so you are being dishonest.
My claim to which you responded was that there is no evidence for
creationism. The best way to respond to that claim would be to provide
an example of evidence that at least indicates that I'm wrong.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 00:31:05 UTC
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I would debate the supposed evidence with
you any time. You are the one who said you
don't know what it is you should be proving,
after claiming it is true. The burden of proof
is on you, son.
I'm not your son, asshole.
You have just discredited yourself. If you
continue to use foul language, then you
can have at it by yourself.

Only in the mind of a disrespectful fool,
is that type of language appropriate.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Dave
2005-07-11 00:44:47 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 17:06:49 -0700, "Dave"
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Post by Pastor Dave
I would debate the supposed evidence with
you any time. You are the one who said you
don't know what it is you should be proving,
after claiming it is true. The burden of proof
is on you, son.
I'm not your son, asshole.
You have just discredited yourself. If you
continue to use foul language, then you
can have at it by yourself.
Only in the mind of a disrespectful fool,
is that type of language appropriate.
Get over yourself. You come at me and act like an arrogant asshole,
and I'm gonna call you an arrogant asshole. I wasn't put on this
planet to put up with that kind of bullshit from lowlifes like you.

And if I'm disrespectful, gee, that could be because I have no respect
for you. Self-bestowed titles don't impress me, "pastor," and I'm not
one of the sheep you want to lord it over and control.

Like I said, if you want to talk, we'll talk. You cop an attitude with
*me*, mister, and you'll pay the price.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 01:22:18 UTC
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I would debate the supposed evidence with
you any time. You are the one who said you
don't know what it is you should be proving,
after claiming it is true. The burden of proof
is on you, son.
I'm not your son, asshole.
You have just discredited yourself. If you
continue to use foul language, then you
can have at it by yourself.
Only in the mind of a disrespectful fool,
is that type of language appropriate.
Get over yourself.
Son, I'm not the one who is concerned
with trying to make myself look superior,
nor am I the one thinking that foul language
equates to an intelligent rebuttal.
Post by Dave
You come at me and act like an arrogant asshole,
No son, I called you on your claim and you
hate me because of that.
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and I'm gonna call you an arrogant asshole.
And demonstrate your lack of intelligence.
Obviously either your parents raised you
poorly, or you simply don't understand
how to treat other people, regardless of
what they taught you.

Show this to your mother. If she approves,
then that tells us all we need to know about
your genetic line. <chuckle>
Post by Dave
And if I'm disrespectful, gee, that could be
because I have no respect for you
Of course not. You have no respect for
anyone who asks you to live up to your
claims.
Post by Dave
Self-bestowed titles don't impress me, "pastor,"
And now, when faced with the impossibility
of digging yourself out of the hole of stupidity
you dug yourself into, you make an accusation.

Can you prove that it is, "self bestowed"?

Will you admit that you cannot prove your
accusation and retract it?

No, of course not to both. But thank you for
proving that truth does not concern you.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Dave
2005-07-11 01:33:12 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:44:47 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:06:49 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
I would debate the supposed evidence with
you any time. You are the one who said you
don't know what it is you should be proving,
after claiming it is true. The burden of proof
is on you, son.
I'm not your son, asshole.
You have just discredited yourself. If you
continue to use foul language, then you
can have at it by yourself.
Only in the mind of a disrespectful fool,
is that type of language appropriate.
Get over yourself.
Son, I'm not the one who is concerned
with trying to make myself look superior...
Of course you are, starting with the phony title, "pastor," that's
supposed to confer on you some authority. You have none. When it
comes to science and evolution, you don't know what you're talking
about.
Post by Pastor Dave
nor am I the one thinking that foul language
equates to an intelligent rebuttal.
I never said that "foul language" equates to intelligent rebuttal. I'm
simply giving you *my* rules, which are, likewise, not subject to
negotiation.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
You come at me and act like an arrogant asshole,
No son, I called you on your claim and you
hate me because of that.
Get *over* yourself. No one hates you, "pastor." Your a boil in
Usenet that needs to be lanced. That's all.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
and I'm gonna call you an arrogant asshole.
And demonstrate your lack of intelligence.
Calling you an arrogant asshole is no reflection on my intelligence--or
yours, for that matter. But I call 'em as I see 'em, and if you don't
like being called an arrogant asshole, don't *be* an arrogant asshole.
Post by Pastor Dave
Obviously either your parents raised you
poorly, or you simply don't understand
how to treat other people, regardless of
what they taught you.
Oh, I understand how to treat people just fine. You're getting exactly
what you deserve.
Post by Pastor Dave
Show this to your mother. If she approves,
then that tells us all we need to know about
your genetic line. <chuckle>
Well, I see that even though you whine about being insulted, you don't
have a problem going after the relatives of those who insult *you*,
which would normally take it up a notch, but I don't really care.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
And if I'm disrespectful, gee, that could be
because I have no respect for you
Of course not. You have no respect for
anyone who asks you to live up to your
claims.
I've already exposed your lies about this. I'm not going to make a
career of it. Instead, I'll just bury you.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
Self-bestowed titles don't impress me, "pastor,"
And now, when faced with the impossibility
of digging yourself out of the hole of stupidity
you dug yourself into, you make an accusation.
Observation.
Post by Pastor Dave
Can you prove that it is, "self bestowed"?
The newsgroups are loaded with people who call themselves "pastor,"
"doctor," "Bible" this or that, with no more justification than their
ego or need to lord it over others. The fact is that I observed your
little exchanges about this in the past, your refusal to identify the
body that ordained you is good enough for me.
Post by Pastor Dave
Will you admit that you cannot prove your
accusation and retract it?
I can't prove it; but I believe it to be true based on what I observed.
That you wouldn't identify the ordaining body is one piece of
evidence. The accusation stands. You're a phony. I'll retract it
when you prove it wrong.
Post by Pastor Dave
No, of course not to both. But thank you for
proving that truth does not concern you.
The truth concerns me very much. I truly believe that your title is
self-bestowed. And thank *you* for deciding ahead of time what I would
do, so that I could show that it was, in fact, *not* what I would do.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 02:01:39 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 18:33:12 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Son, I'm not the one who is concerned
with trying to make myself look superior...
Of course you are, starting with the phony title,
"pastor,"
And of course, you don't have the integrity
to either prove your claim, or retract it. No.
It's just a lie you use, to try to get under
someone's skin. Honesty and integrity
are the farthest things from your mind
and they are things that you do not
possess.

If you're scared, say you're scared.
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Will you admit that you cannot prove your
accusation and retract it?
I can't prove it; but I believe it to be true
So even though you can't prove it, you will
claim it is truth anyway. Gotcha.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Dave
2005-07-11 00:11:28 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 14:47:34 -0700, "Dave"
Snip

[Restored portion, snipped by "pastor" Dave]

"Pastor" Dave is a sophist, and he saw this one for what it was--bait.
I have multiple examples of speciation and evolutionary events in
recent history and he knows it, so he won't touch this with a ten-foot
pole. That there is evidence for these events is also know, and I can
cite numerous scholarly works that provide the details. He knows that,
too.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Prove macroevolution. You can't. And don't try
to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to YOUR
claims.
No, you are not. The claim to which you are responding
is that creationism has no evidence...
This is every important. "Pastor" Dave responded to my statement that
creationism has no evidence. That is not just a claim, it is a
statement of fact, so much so that quite a few "professional"
creationists have accepted it (if only reluctantly) and have limited
themselves to rather futile and generally ignorant and dishonest
attacks on evolution and evolutionary evidence.

If I say that there is no evidence for creationism, that's a negative
statement. However, it is based on literally decades of study in
biology, with associated study in multiple other sciences as well as
intimate familiarity with creationism (I used to be a creationist).
Every piece of alleged "evidence" having to do with creationism was not
evidence *for* creationism, per se, so much as it was a criticism of
some piece of evolutionary evidence or history. There is *no* evidence
that the Earth was created in six 24-hour days, there is *no* evidence
that the Earth and universe are in the realm of 50,000 years old or
less, and there is *no* evidence for the Flood. Even creationists who
were actually scientists and had to deal with this issue rejected most
of those precepts in the 19th Century (see, for example, "The Freezing
of Noah," an essay in "The Flamingo's Smile," by S.J. Gould).

The challenge is simple: If there is evidence for creationism, present
it. We can talk about it. "Pastor" Dave can rant and rave and try to
waste my time with a lot of meandering talk, but I know about him and
won't be nice to him when he plays that. I don't have time to be
diplomatic with assholes. Anyone else who wants to *discuss* it, hey,
I'm all about that. Let's talk.
Post by Pastor Dave
...and you are not presenting evidence or making any form
of rebuttal. You've tried to turn the tables, already.
And failed

[End restored portion]
Libertarius
2005-07-10 19:20:21 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one single
evidence for the first human having been sculpted out of
mud and made alive by blowing air into his nose, as described in
Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence for the ET
thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none, zero, zilch,
nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
===>Provide just ONE piece of evidence, with which you could
demolish the "claim" that there is "none, zero, zilch, nada."
But you can't!
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
So their strategy has been to try to find "holes"
in "evolutionary theory"
There are major holes.
===>"Major holes" in WHAT?
There are major wholes in a fisherman's net, but
it will catch lots of fish!
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
(which they usually don't understand or misrepresent)
Yes, we know. Anyone who doesn't believe it, just
doesn't understand it. Typical evolutionist lie.
===>Stupid comment.
Only Creationists expect you to BELIEVE something.
Post by Pastor Dave
"We're smart and you're dumb, so just shut up
and believe us".
===>That's the biblical, creationist point of view,
claiming, with Saul/Paul of Tarsus, that even your
foolishness (MORIA) is better than the wisdom
(SOPHIA) of this world.
Not scientist has ever made such ridiculous claims,
and no scientists expects anyone to "believe"!
Post by Pastor Dave
The fact is, that while you claim that Creationists
only try to find holes in evolution, the reality is,
that you just spent your time trying to punch holes
in Creationism, with silly lame insult, rather than
proving macroevolution.
===>Creationis has NO HOLES.
It IS a HOLY HOLE.
Not a single thread, not a shred of evidence, just
pronouncements and ASSumptions.
Post by Pastor Dave
If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it. Yet that
is something that NEVER HAPPENS.
===>If it had not happened, you would not be here.
Your ancestor was NOT sculpted out of mud by an
ET named YHWH.
Post by Pastor Dave
Prove macroevolution. You can't. And don't try
to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to YOUR
claims.
===>Your existence and the existence of the fossils of
ancestors of humans and other species is evidence you
are too blinded to see. -- L.
Mike Painter
2005-07-10 21:22:02 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one single
evidence for the first human having been sculpted out of
mud and made alive by blowing air into his nose, as described in
Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence for the ET
thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none, zero, zilch,
nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
Post by Dave
So their strategy has been to try to find "holes"
in "evolutionary theory"
There are major holes.
Post by Dave
(which they usually don't understand or misrepresent)
Yes, we know. Anyone who doesn't believe it, just
doesn't understand it. Typical evolutionist lie.
"We're smart and you're dumb, so just shut up
and believe us".
The fact is, that while you claim that Creationists
only try to find holes in evolution, the reality is,
that you just spent your time trying to punch holes
in Creationism, with silly lame insult, rather than
proving macroevolution.
If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it. Yet that
is something that NEVER HAPPENS.
Prove macroevolution. You can't. And don't try
to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to YOUR
claims.
Again you show your arrogant ignorance. You speak like the ten year old who
knows all the words about sex but does not have a clue about what it's
really like.
Perhaps stupidity is a better word.

Science is based on theory and you DO NOT understand what a theory is. If
you did you could not honestly make the claims you make.
Dave
2005-07-10 21:35:03 UTC
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Post by Mike Painter
Post by Pastor Dave
If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it. Yet that
is something that NEVER HAPPENS.
Prove macroevolution. You can't. And don't try
to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to YOUR
claims.
Again you show your arrogant ignorance. You speak like the
ten year old who knows all the words about sex but does
not have a clue about what it's really like. Perhaps stupidity
is a better word.
Science is based on theory and you DO NOT understand what
a theory is. If you did you could not honestly make the
claims you make.
When it comes to these issues, "pastor" Dave is one of the most
flagrant liars you'll ever meet. It's going to be a pleasure taking
him apart in as public and forceful a manner as possible. This is
exactly the sort of thing that cannot be allowed to continue.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-10 23:41:55 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 14:35:03 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Snip
Post by Mike Painter
Post by Pastor Dave
If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it. Yet that
is something that NEVER HAPPENS.
Prove macroevolution. You can't. And don't try
to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to YOUR
claims.
Again you show your arrogant ignorance. You speak like the
ten year old who knows all the words about sex but does
not have a clue about what it's really like. Perhaps stupidity
is a better word.
Science is based on theory and you DO NOT understand what
a theory is. If you did you could not honestly make the
claims you make.
When it comes to these issues, "pastor" Dave is one of the most
flagrant liars you'll ever meet. It's going to be a pleasure taking
him apart in as public and forceful a manner as possible. This is
exactly the sort of thing that cannot be allowed to continue.
Oh, sure, I'm the liar. The person who makes a claim
and then dodged it when challenged, should always
be considered the honest one.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Dave
2005-07-10 23:49:40 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 14:35:03 -0700, "Dave"
Snip
Post by Pastor Dave
Oh, sure, I'm the liar. The person who makes a
claim and then dodged it when challenged, should
always be considered the honest one.
The claim that I made that drew you into this discussion was my
statement that there is no evidence for creationism. *You* tried to
twist that around and presume that I should "prove" macroevolution.

The easiest way to show that I was wrong in my original statement, was
to present evidence for creationism that we can examine. You didn't do
that.

It's going to be a great pleasure taking you down.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 00:26:09 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 16:49:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Oh, sure, I'm the liar. The person who makes a
claim and then dodged it when challenged, should
always be considered the honest one.
The claim that I made that drew you into this discussion was my
statement that there is no evidence for creationism. *You* tried to
twist that around and presume that I should "prove" macroevolution.
You are not being honest. Your claim also involved
claiming that all creationists do, is to try to punch
holes in the evolution concept. Then you asked
me to do that very thing. Prove it wrong.
Post by Dave
It's going to be a great pleasure taking you down.
Bring it on. You'd be the first. A worthy goal
for you and quite an accomplishment.

I will not however, tolerate your insults, nor
your false claims that because I don't fall for
the typical evolutionist deceptions, that I
have run away. I don't however, expect
anything but that from you.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Dave
2005-07-11 00:37:04 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 16:49:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Oh, sure, I'm the liar. The person who makes a
claim and then dodged it when challenged, should
always be considered the honest one.
The claim that I made that drew you into this discussion
was my statement that there is no evidence for creationism.
*You* tried to twist that around and presume that I should
"prove" macroevolution.
You are not being honest.
I am being meticulously honest.
Post by Pastor Dave
Your claim also involved claiming that all creationists do,
is to try to punch holes in the evolution concept.
This is what I wrote:

"...their strategy has been to try to find 'holes' in 'evolutionary
theory' (which they usually don't understand or misrepresent) and
presume that, for some reason, each of those individual 'holes' somehow
falsifies 'the theory,' though they can also never quite explain how
that is."

Note the quotes around "holes" and "evolutionary theory." The point is
that the holes aren't always holes, and they (you) usually have little
to no understanding of evolutionary theory. For one thing, there is no
one, single, "evolutionary theory." There are several. How they act
and interoperate is subject to considerable study, research, and even
debate. No competent scientist denies that evolution occurs. *How* it
occurs and by what means are usually the sticking points.
Post by Pastor Dave
Then you asked me to do that very thing. Prove it
wrong.
After the fact, you claimed that there were "major holes." I asked you
to cite specifics. You refused. Gee, all I did was answer *your*
claim...
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
It's going to be a great pleasure taking you down.
Bring it on. You'd be the first.
No, actually, I wouldn't.
Post by Pastor Dave
A worthy goal for you and quite an accomplishment.
Get over yourself.
Post by Pastor Dave
I will not however, tolerate your insults...
But I'm suppose to tolerate yours?
Post by Pastor Dave
...nor your false claims that because I don't fall
for the typical evolutionist deceptions...
Where did I claim that you "fall for the typical evolutionist
deceptions?" You've been completely reluctant to even tell me what
these "deceptions" have been.
Post by Pastor Dave
...that I have run away. I don't however, expect
anything but that from you.
Good. That will make it all the more satisfying.

Look, "pastor," here's the deal. You want to talk, we'll talk. You
want to get high and mighty with me, and use patronizing, obnoxious
rhetoric. I can deal with that, too. I'll push your goddam face in
the dirt. Your choice. Make it.
Dave
2005-07-11 00:29:40 UTC
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The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
So their strategy has been to try to find "holes"
in "evolutionary theory"
There are major holes.
"pastor" Dave has also said that he hasn't made any claims. What we
see above looks like a claim to me. Let's remember this, also.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
(which they usually don't understand or misrepresent)
Yes, we know. Anyone who doesn't believe it, just
doesn't understand it. Typical evolutionist lie.
"We're smart and you're dumb, so just shut up
and believe us".
The fact is, that while you claim that Creationists
only try to find holes in evolution, the reality is,
that you just spent your time trying to punch holes
in Creationism, with silly lame insult, rather than
proving macroevolution.
And here is where "pastor" Dave makes yet *another* claim, that is,
what he claims "the reality is," and that's a statement about what my
intent was supposed to be, and what I *should* have been doing (i.e.,
"proving macroevolution.").
Post by Pastor Dave
If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it.
Except that, as I said, I didn't start out with the intent to "prove"
macroevolution. Why would I post "proof" if that wasn't my intent?
Post by Pastor Dave
Yet that is something that NEVER HAPPENS.
That evidence (or "proof") of macroevolution is never posted is a
complete falsehood. "pastor" Dave has been involved in these "debates"
quite a few times and all it's taken to get him to disappear from the
thread was to post evidence he couldn't answer. He's doing the same
thing he always does. He's misdirecting the thread, insisting that
he's made no claims (but who was it who wrote "there are major holes,"
above?) and that this whole thing is about something that wasn't
originally about.

I have no problem with, you'll excuse the expression, evolving threads,
but "pastor" Dave's representation of events is seriously skewed.
Post by Pastor Dave
Prove macroevolution. You can't.
So I'm given a challenge and right away told that I can't meet it.

In a way, that's correct. I asked for a definition of "macroevolution"
and can't get one. But how am I supposed to "prove" something that I
don't understand. I know what *I* say when I say "macroevolution" and
I know the standards in biology, but I also know "pastor" Dave well
enough to know that if I go off on my own and use those things, he'll
wave them off--or he'll run, and pretend that the whole thing never
happened, and start it up somewhere else. He doesn't get to to that,
this time. In order for there to be any fruitful exchange between me
and a critic of evolution--and "pastor" Dave is fooling no one with his
pretenses in this regard--we have to have a common basis of
understanding. That starts with defining our terms.
Post by Pastor Dave
And don't try to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to
YOUR claims.
"pastor" Dave responded, yes, but he didn't really address the my
"claims" properly. Instead, he tried to misdirect he discussion *away*
from any talk of evidences for creationism. That's because he knows
that there isn't any evidence. As I've said repeatedly, the easiest
way to deal with that statement is to present something believed to be
evidence and, perhaps, underscore that with, "what about this?" That
would work. Then we'd have something to talk about. "pastor" Dave
won't do that, because he knows where it will lead.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 01:06:39 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 17:29:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Let's remember that you made a truth claim, that
evolution is "truth".

Now, see the new thread, girly man.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Dave
2005-07-11 01:34:41 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:29:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Let's remember that you made a truth claim, that
evolution is "truth".
Now, see the new thread, girly man.
Let's rememeber that I exposed you, clarified the sequence of events,
and showed you to be a liar, "pastor."

And I post by *my* timetable. Not yours. Get over yourself.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 01:46:49 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 18:34:41 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:29:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Let's remember that you made a truth claim, that
evolution is "truth".
Now, see the new thread, girly man.
Let's rememeber that I exposed you, clarified the sequence of events,
and showed you to be a liar, "pastor."
And I post by *my* timetable. Not yours. Get over yourself.
You are the one who kept pushing me. Now all
of the sudden, you don't want to debate.

If you're scared, say you're scared.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Dave
2005-07-11 01:49:19 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 18:34:41 -0700, "Dave"
Snip
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
Let's rememeber that I exposed you, clarified the sequence
of events, and showed you to be a liar, "pastor."
And I post by *my* timetable. Not yours. Get over yourself.
You are the one who kept pushing me. Now all
of the sudden, you don't want to debate.
If you're scared, say you're scared.
What it is, is this, "pastor," as I said, you don't get to unilaterally
decide how the thing will be conducted.

You're goin' down.
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 02:06:43 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 18:49:19 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 18:34:41 -0700, "Dave"
Snip
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
Let's rememeber that I exposed you, clarified the sequence
of events, and showed you to be a liar, "pastor."
And I post by *my* timetable. Not yours. Get over yourself.
You are the one who kept pushing me. Now all
of the sudden, you don't want to debate.
If you're scared, say you're scared.
What it is, is this, "pastor," as I said, you don't get to unilaterally
decide how the thing will be conducted.
You're goin' down.
So you keep claiming and yet, keep running away,
claiming that it isn't your "time". <chuckle>
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

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Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 02:07:06 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2005 18:49:19 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 18:34:41 -0700, "Dave"
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Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
Let's rememeber that I exposed you, clarified the sequence
of events, and showed you to be a liar, "pastor."
And I post by *my* timetable. Not yours. Get over yourself.
You are the one who kept pushing me. Now all
of the sudden, you don't want to debate.
If you're scared, say you're scared.
What it is, is this, "pastor," as I said, you don't get to unilaterally
decide how the thing will be conducted.
You're goin' down.
So you keep claiming and yet, keep running away,
claiming that it isn't your "time". <chuckle>
--
Pastor Dave

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http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

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Tom McDonald
2005-07-11 01:49:50 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:29:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Let's remember that you made a truth claim, that
evolution is "truth".
Now, see the new thread, girly man.
Will we see *you* honestly mark your snips in any new
conversation with Dave? Or will you continue to be a girly boy,
cutting without marking so you can pretend that the discussion's
history is other than it was?

Will we ever see you defend a claim you make, as you have made
claims (in the bit you snipped)? See restored text, below:

[what PD didn't want anyone to recall]:
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Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
So their strategy has been to try to find "holes"
in "evolutionary theory"
There are major holes.
"pastor" Dave has also said that he hasn't made any claims. What we
see above looks like a claim to me. Let's remember this, also.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
(which they usually don't understand or misrepresent)
Yes, we know. Anyone who doesn't believe it, just
doesn't understand it. Typical evolutionist lie.
"We're smart and you're dumb, so just shut up
and believe us".
The fact is, that while you claim that Creationists
only try to find holes in evolution, the reality is,
that you just spent your time trying to punch holes
in Creationism, with silly lame insult, rather than
proving macroevolution.
And here is where "pastor" Dave makes yet *another* claim, that is,
what he claims "the reality is," and that's a statement about what my
intent was supposed to be, and what I *should* have been doing (i.e.,
"proving macroevolution.").
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
If macroevolution were true, you would have just
posted the proof and been done with it.
Except that, as I said, I didn't start out with the intent to "prove"
macroevolution. Why would I post "proof" if that wasn't my intent?
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
Yet that is something that NEVER HAPPENS.
That evidence (or "proof") of macroevolution is never posted is a
complete falsehood. "pastor" Dave has been involved in these
"debates"
quite a few times and all it's taken to get him to disappear from the
thread was to post evidence he couldn't answer. He's doing the same
thing he always does. He's misdirecting the thread, insisting that
he's made no claims (but who was it who wrote "there are major
holes,"
above?) and that this whole thing is about something that wasn't
originally about.

I have no problem with, you'll excuse the expression, evolving
threads,
but "pastor" Dave's representation of events is seriously skewed.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
Prove macroevolution. You can't.
So I'm given a challenge and right away told that I can't meet it.

In a way, that's correct. I asked for a definition of
"macroevolution"
and can't get one. But how am I supposed to "prove" something that I
don't understand. I know what *I* say when I say
"macroevolution" and
I know the standards in biology, but I also know "pastor" Dave well
enough to know that if I go off on my own and use those things, he'll
wave them off--or he'll run, and pretend that the whole thing never
happened, and start it up somewhere else. He doesn't get to to that,
this time. In order for there to be any fruitful exchange between me
and a critic of evolution--and "pastor" Dave is fooling no one
with his
pretenses in this regard--we have to have a common basis of
understanding. That starts with defining our terms.
Post by Pastor Dave
Post by Dave
And don't try to turn the tables. I am RESPONDING to
YOUR claims.
"pastor" Dave responded, yes, but he didn't really address the my
"claims" properly. Instead, he tried to misdirect he discussion
*away*
from any talk of evidences for creationism. That's because he knows
that there isn't any evidence. As I've said repeatedly, the easiest
way to deal with that statement is to present something believed
to be
evidence and, perhaps, underscore that with, "what about this?" That
would work. Then we'd have something to talk about. "pastor" Dave
won't do that, because he knows where it will lead.
-------------------------------------------------------

Well, PD? Are you an honest man, or a shill for your conception
of God?
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 02:06:02 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:49:50 -0500, Tom McDonald
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:29:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Let's remember that you made a truth claim, that
evolution is "truth".
Now, see the new thread, girly man.
Will we see *you* honestly mark your snips in any new
conversation with Dave? Or will you continue to be a girly boy,
cutting without marking so you can pretend that the discussion's
history is other than it was?
I do not allow the history to be changed by others, who
add comments that are designed to avoid the point made.

Note this snip as an example of your historical
revisionism, which leaves out the parts in which the
person made a claim and refused to back it up.
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Bible Bob
2005-07-11 21:10:01 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:06:02 GMT, Pastor Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:49:50 -0500, Tom McDonald
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:29:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Let's remember that you made a truth claim, that
evolution is "truth".
Now, see the new thread, girly man.
Will we see *you* honestly mark your snips in any new
conversation with Dave? Or will you continue to be a girly boy,
cutting without marking so you can pretend that the discussion's
history is other than it was?
I do not allow the history to be changed by others, who
add comments that are designed to avoid the point made.
Note this snip as an example of your historical
revisionism, which leaves out the parts in which the
person made a claim and refused to back it up.
Biographical data:

Pastor Dave aka a dishonest person who does what Tom MacDonald said he
does.
Tom MacDonald aka an honest person who does not do what Pastor Dave
says he does

Conclusion:

Pastor Dave is being deceptive again.



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Tom McDonald
2005-07-12 02:14:39 UTC
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Post by Bible Bob
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:06:02 GMT, Pastor Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:49:50 -0500, Tom McDonald
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:29:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Let's remember that you made a truth claim, that
evolution is "truth".
Now, see the new thread, girly man.
Will we see *you* honestly mark your snips in any new
conversation with Dave? Or will you continue to be a girly boy,
cutting without marking so you can pretend that the discussion's
history is other than it was?
I do not allow the history to be changed by others, who
add comments that are designed to avoid the point made.
Note this snip as an example of your historical
revisionism, which leaves out the parts in which the
person made a claim and refused to back it up.
Pastor Dave aka a dishonest person who does what Tom MacDonald said he
does.
Tom MacDonald aka an honest person who does not do what Pastor Dave
says he does
Pastor Dave is being deceptive again.
Yes. Not surprising, but disappointing.

And, FWIW, my ancestors were a bit casual with the spelling of
our name, so we look Irish (McDonald) where we are, in fact,
Scottish (MacDonald).

IOW, you have the spirit right, but the law wrong. And we do
know what the spirit giveth as opposed to the law.

My cross to bear, though. If you choose to use the "Mac," that's
fine by me.
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
Tom McDonald
2005-07-12 02:11:05 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:49:50 -0500, Tom McDonald
Post by Tom McDonald
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:29:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Let's remember that you made a truth claim, that
evolution is "truth".
Now, see the new thread, girly man.
Will we see *you* honestly mark your snips in any new
conversation with Dave? Or will you continue to be a girly boy,
cutting without marking so you can pretend that the discussion's
history is other than it was?
I do not allow the history to be changed by others, who
add comments that are designed to avoid the point made.
Note this snip as an example of your historical
revisionism, which leaves out the parts in which the
person made a claim and refused to back it up.
Ah. So it's the girly boy choice for you. I'm not surprised.
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
Red Rum
2005-07-11 02:01:31 UTC
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Dave is NOT a proper Pastor of a mainstream Church

The title "Pastor" is so badly regulated that any turkey can award it and
any turkey use it
Pastor Dave
2005-07-11 17:04:37 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:01:31 +1100,
Post by Red Rum
Dave is NOT a proper Pastor of a mainstream Church
Define "proper".

Define, "mainstream church".

Tell me why one must be part of
the "mainstream church" to be
a pastor,
Post by Red Rum
The title "Pastor" is so badly regulated that any turkey can award it and
any turkey use it
Regulated how? How should it be regulated?
By whom? For what purpose?
--
Pastor Dave

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

http://tinyurl.com/ce97m
Red Rum
2005-07-11 22:10:26 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:01:31 +1100,
Post by Red Rum
Dave is NOT a proper Pastor of a mainstream Church
Define "proper".
Define, "mainstream church".
Tell me why one must be part of
the "mainstream church" to be
a pastor,
Post by Red Rum
The title "Pastor" is so badly regulated that any turkey can award it and
any turkey use it
Regulated how? How should it be regulated?
By whom? For what purpose?
By a Theological university so one can check its value on the basis of
the reputation of the institution and only after a thorough and ongoing
character assessment. It seems to me that it should never be a simple
matter of ordaining someone one approves of - it requires years of
training like any other profession - and MONITORING

Otherwise you can put your pastor's shield up on the wall and your hand up
the victims skirt or shorts

That happens even with existing safeguards - "Pastor" needs to be a term
that can be trusted.
Libertarius
2005-07-11 02:44:13 UTC
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Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 17:29:40 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
The original exchanges are below. Don't be fooled by "pastor" Dave's
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one
single evidence for the first human having been
sculpted out of mud and made alive by blowing air
into his nose, as described in Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence
for the ET thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none,
zero, zilch, nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
This is what brought "pastor" Dave into the thread. Let's remember
this.
Let's remember that you made a truth claim, that
evolution is "truth".
Now, see the new thread, girly man.
===>That is just plain ridiculous.
Evolution is NOT "truth".
Nor is Gravitation.
Nor is Electromagnetism.
Nor is Heliocentrism.
etc.
Those are FACTS OF NATURE, not "truths". -- L.
jw <jw@yoo.hoo>
2005-07-11 03:39:49 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:57:55 GMT, Pastor Dave
Post by Pastor Dave
On 10 Jul 2005 11:46:14 -0700, "Dave"
Post by Dave
Post by Libertarius
1. Why are creationists unable to offer even one single
evidence for the first human having been sculpted out of
mud and made alive by blowing air into his nose, as described in
Genesis 2?
2. Why are creationists unable to offer any evidence for the ET
thus described? -- L.
Creationists have *no* evidence for creationism--none, zero, zilch,
nada. Never have had any.
That is a claim, not proof.
Post by D